If you believe that you are as blind and Dusty Baker. Are you going to tell me that Love has the backfield that Marsh did?

 

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1) Absolutely Ashland can succeed with the Wishbone.

 

3) I'm not sure if it's a Triple Option Wishbone team or more of a power based Wishbone team. Both win.

 

A 3 back offense...but, because they were doing it THEIR way, it looked like some wild new looking offense (which, in many ways it is as we all can attest too), but the principles were a lot of the same principles that Wishone, Flexbone, Split Back Veer Option teams were based off of long, long ago.

 

 

 

I heard a coach one time say that THE BIGGEST victory he has to get before any games are won is "WINNING the dinner table". If mommy and daddy are bashing coach so and so at home (and, if it doesn't take many of these) then kiss your season to Hell in a hand basket with a big red Ribbon tied on it.

 

Ok...done.

 

1st statement) I agree, Ashland or practically any team could succeed running the wishbone.

 

2nd statement) I don't think that it matters all that much, what matters is imo if the coach knows the system inside and out and can relate / teach it to his asst. coaches and players and they (players) completely buy in, dedicate themselves to it. H. Conley I believe ran a lot of option out of it, Bill Tom Ross (former Tomcat asst. under Conley) ran mostly power out of the wishbone when at Raceland and both had success.

 

3rd statement) Yes, there are running offenses that may line up different but are executed with the same wishbone principles. Example: The "spread option" imo is today's pc term for the wishbone.

 

4th statement) The last statement that you made is the absolute truth more than any other, kids do not need to hear how their coach is terrible, don't know what he's doing and no doubt hundreds of other descriptions. A player imo needs to think that their coach is the most knowledgeable man on football anywhere. A lot of that meaning that the players don't listen to all the talk from all the drug store, American Legion type coaches that in their mind know more football and coaching than Bear Bryant ever did. :sssh:

 

Finally, I know that I posted before. I just like to "ramble :D" on myself. :thumb:

O.K., I'm done...I think.

If you believe that you are as blind and Dusty Baker. Are you going to tell me that Love has the backfield that Marsh did?

 

Not blind at all. The poster I quoted said Ashland could NEVER win running the wishbone. They have in fact won a state title winning the wishbone. Wasn't comparing the two teams. Ashland has proven though given the proper talent you can win a title running the wishbone.

Ashland had a strong running game last year. A couple of impressive Rbs and good size on the line. I think they'll be fine against most anyone they'll play.

Not blind at all. The poster I quoted said Ashland could NEVER win running the wishbone. They have in fact won a state title winning the wishbone. Wasn't comparing the two teams. Ashland has proven though given the proper talent you can win a title running the wishbone.

Yes, but winning a State Championship in 1990 with a three headed monster backfield that could have won anywhere is not the same as winning a State Championship in 2013 with one very good, but young, back and another two that probable don't even know they are going to be RB's. All this while having to compete with Highlands and CovCath.

 

I will go on record now as saying that Ashland can not win a State Championship right now in the class they are in competing against the teams they have to compete with. And in addition to that, I will say that moving to a more one diminutional offense will not be a move in the right direction for Ashland to be competitive with the top teams in their class. And, I think Ashland's number one priority should be finding a way to platoon the offense and defense. That is something that would be a move in the right direction toward competing with the top teams in their class. Platooning with a balanced offense. That should be the focus.

 

But, hey, who am I?

All offensive systems can succeed. It's all about the Jimmy's and Joe's.

Yes, but winning a State Championship in 1990 with a three headed monster backfield that could have won anywhere is not the same as winning a State Championship in 2013 with one very good, but young, back and another two that probable don't even know they are going to be RB's. All this while having to compete with Highlands and CovCath.

 

I will go on record now as saying that Ashland can not win a State Championship right now in the class they are in competing against the teams they have to compete with. And in addition to that, I will say that moving to a more one diminutional offense will not be a move in the right direction for Ashland to be competitive with the top teams in their class. And, I think Ashland's number one priority should be finding a way to platoon the offense and defense. That is something that would be a move in the right direction toward competing with the top teams in their class. Platooning with a balanced offense. That should be the focus.

 

But, hey, who am I?

 

I would agree with this. Depth is needed to play teams like Highlands and two platooning would definitely help. At the end of the day I still say that talent is more important than system. If Ashland had the guys Trinity has had they'd win it all with any offense they wanted.

As a Belfry fan, I love ball control offenses. In today's game, speed is the name of the game and teams are looking to score fast and play fast. In my honest opinion, the wishbone/flexbone offenses are great to fight that with because it slows the pace down and keeps the ball out of the scoring teams hands. The easiest way to play defense is with your offense on the field. Now, of course, we've learned a lot from the 4 losses to Louisville Central over the past 6 seasons but I think the difference in losing in 07/10 and barely losing in 11/12 is not turning the ball over. It ruins the time of possession slow paced concept if you hand them the ball. You want to grind them out, long, demoralizing hopefully scoring drives. Teams today are looking for the big play and with the wishbone you are going to go against that and be patient. When teams put 9 in the box, unless they put them play side it's usually a non-factor. Although the back side unblocked players may be fast enough to get there and make the play, the quick hitting style of wishbone and option plays still allows 2, 3, or 4 yards. I think Ashland stands a better chance running a wishbone. When you spread it out, you may be able to out-athlete and out run some teams but Highlands, it isn't going to work. So you try to do a contrasting style. Johnson Central got awfully close to Highlands by doing this, but couldn't seal the deal. Just the same as Belfry with Central in 11/12. The catch here is when playing a spread/speed/finesse team you have to be patient and physical with them to try and neutralize their speed, but in district play when they play JCHS who runs the same style they will simply have to be more physical. That is a very tall task. I think if Ashland can get the line technique right, they will stand a far better chance in an option bone offense than a spread look. Mainly because I don't like spread offenses unless you are athlete LOADED.

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As a Belfry fan, I love ball control offenses. In today's game, speed is the name of the game and teams are looking to score fast and play fast. In my honest opinion, the wishbone/flexbone offenses are great to fight that with because it slows the pace down and keeps the ball out of the scoring teams hands. The easiest way to play defense is with your offense on the field. Now, of course, we've learned a lot from the 4 losses to Louisville Central over the past 6 seasons but I think the difference in losing in 07/10 and barely losing in 11/12 is not turning the ball over. It ruins the time of possession slow paced concept if you hand them the ball. You want to grind them out, long, demoralizing hopefully scoring drives. Teams today are looking for the big play and with the wishbone you are going to go against that and be patient. When teams put 9 in the box, unless they put them play side it's usually a non-factor. Although the back side unblocked players may be fast enough to get there and make the play, the quick hitting style of wishbone and option plays still allows 2, 3, or 4 yards. I think Ashland stands a better chance running a wishbone. When you spread it out, you may be able to out-athlete and out run some teams but Highlands, it isn't going to work. So you try to do a contrasting style. Johnson Central got awfully close to Highlands by doing this, but couldn't seal the deal. Just the same as Belfry with Central in 11/12. The catch here is when playing a spread/speed/finesse team you have to be patient and physical with them to try and neutralize their speed, but in district play when they play JCHS who runs the same style they will simply have to be more physical. That is a very tall task. I think if Ashland can get the line technique right, they will stand a far better chance in an option bone offense than a spread look. Mainly because I don't like spread offenses unless you are athlete LOADED.

 

Belfry is one example of why this wishbone and similar offenses can work. By the guys on the field they shouldn't be competitive athletically with Central but the offense they run gives them a chance. Talent ands thing schemes to personnel strengths are keys to good offensive football at the high school level IMO.

@Watsui: thank ya sir!

 

@Cats3X: 100% agree, all comes down to game planning and knowing what you have to do. I think at times Belfry fans fall in love with breaking those 55 yard runs against the Lawrence's and such of the state and really forget the beauty of a four yard fullback dive time and time again. As good as Francis and Styles were if you watch back on the film late in the game those guys were getting worn out. They're studs too, two of the best I've ever seen. Patience is a virtue! A deep passing game is hard to develop with a wishbone because it takes so much time for the offensive players to perfect the technique and veer reads it doesn't leave much time to teach pass blocking. Belfry found some success against JCHS and Lville Central with the short passes (a few long ones against JCHS) but the deep pass didn't work against Ashland nor Louisville Central cause the quicker defensive players beat that pass blocking. Which isn't hard to do when they don't get much of a chance to practice it. I think that's something that Belfry will look to improve on for sure. I like a West Coast nickel and dime approach with the Wishbone though, chunks at a time, don't worry about hitting the big one. The ball being in the air scares me anyways, more time for a speedier player to run under it and have A TON of open field.