I am glad to see we are back to agreeing!

 

What about my other point? KSP only coming to the 3 County NKY area to increase revenue while almost never providing any kind of ongoing patrol?

 

Not saying here what a lot of other people already know...but, what I have always been told, in a nutshell, was that the KSP was designed to help supplement the local law enforcement in predominately rural areas. Those 3 counties, while under the "jurisdiction" of post 6, are not seen in the same light as a Robertson County or a Pendleton County. Which is why we probably rarely see them in Boone/Kenton/Campbell.

 

Now, as to their rare presence being attributed to increasing revenue...I've got nothing.

Not saying here what a lot of other people already know...but, what I have always been told, in a nutshell, was that the KSP was designed to help supplement the local law enforcement in predominately rural areas. Those 3 counties, while under the "jurisdiction" of post 6, are not seen in the same light as a Robertson County or a Pendleton County. Which is why we probably rarely see them in Boone/Kenton/Campbell.

 

Now, as to their rare presence being attributed to increasing revenue...I've got nothing.

 

Well, if KSP is a "government program" designed to take care of places that don't pay their fair share in taxes then why should "I" pay for it? Sounds kind of like KERA to me. And in both cases I think communities/counties/cities/etc. should have the kind of government services/schools they are willing to pay for. This kind of taxation and redistribution is a form of welfare. Add to that KSP coming into Boone/Kenton/Campbell for even more revenue generation is on the verge of unethical/criminal behavior. With all that said, I don't blame the individual Troopers, they are just following orders.

I know this living in Grant Co, when I have needed police assistance, its always KSP and frankly I am glad for that.

I know this living in Grant Co, when I have needed police assistance, its always KSP and frankly I am glad for that.

 

I would be glad too. KSP Troopers are highly trained and very professional.

Not saying here what a lot of other people already know...but, what I have always been told, in a nutshell, was that the KSP was designed to help supplement the local law enforcement in predominately rural areas. Those 3 counties, while under the "jurisdiction" of post 6, are not seen in the same light as a Robertson County or a Pendleton County. Which is why we probably rarely see them in Boone/Kenton/Campbell.

 

Now, as to their rare presence being attributed to increasing revenue...I've got nothing.

 

I agree. I live in the third largest county (Pulaski) in the state by area/size and we have I think one Trooper assigned to our county. However there are 5 city police departments (3 are very small) and a Sheriffs department of around 30 sworn officers/detectives not counting court security and specials. KSP had a much bigger presence when I was a kid, but at that time the Sheriffs Dept had around 4 or 5 deputies to cover the county 24/7.

 

By comparison the county to the south of here has no police departments and a Sheriff's Department of no more than 5 deputies but they have at least 3 troopers assigned as additional support.

 

I don't think this is as much of a revenue grab from citations. More to generate activity (citations/contacts/warnings) that can show efforts being made for safer highways. That information is then used to apply for or codify federal grants for highway safety.

Well, if KSP is a "government program" designed to take care of places that don't pay their fair share in taxes then why should "I" pay for it? Sounds kind of like KERA to me. And in both cases I think communities/counties/cities/etc. should have the kind of government services/schools they are willing to pay for. This kind of taxation and redistribution is a form of welfare. Add to that KSP coming into Boone/Kenton/Campbell for even more revenue generation is on the verge of unethical/criminal behavior. With all that said, I don't blame the individual Troopers, they are just following orders.

 

Well, we are called the "Commonwealth of Kentucky" for a reason. It's the same reason coal tax money has helped pay for Boone County roads in the past. You guys more than make up for the cost of a few troopers' salaries by the increased opportunities available because of where you live, whether that be employment, education, entertainment, etc. Roads are almost always better-maintained in urban and suburban areas as well, and there's always a greater availability of goods.

 

The bottom line is the KSP was created to help patrol rural areas with small population densities, drastically improving incident response times. Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties are already well-covered by a massive network of city and county police and sheriff's departments. To expect KSP to do regular stuff there would be overkill, a duplication of resources. Wastefulness at its best.

Well, we are called the "Commonwealth of Kentucky" for a reason. It's the same reason coal tax money has helped pay for Boone County roads in the past. You guys more than make up for the cost of a few troopers' salaries by the increased opportunities available because of where you live, whether that be employment, education, entertainment, etc. Roads are almost always better-maintained in urban and suburban areas as well, and there's always a greater availability of goods.

 

The bottom line is the KSP was created to help patrol rural areas with small population densities, drastically improving incident response times. Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties are already well-covered by a massive network of city and county police and sheriff's departments. To expect KSP to do regular stuff there would be overkill, a duplication of resources. Wastefulness at its best.

 

You oversimplified my point and dissected it which brings it out of context.

 

Again, we should all get the services we are willing to pay for.

There are a heavy amount of crashes on those roads? If those crashes are happening on Rt 8 in Bracken County, they must be happening during the week as I drive that road every week (almost twice every weekend) and I've never once seen an accident near the areas where the checkpoints will be conducted. Maybe other folks regularly driving Rt. 8 in Bracken County have difference experiences, but I chuckled when I read the justification for the checkpoints.

I agree. I live in the third largest county (Pulaski) in the state by area/size and we have I think one Trooper assigned to our county. However there are 5 city police departments (3 are very small) and a Sheriffs department of around 30 sworn officers/detectives not counting court security and specials. KSP had a much bigger presence when I was a kid, but at that time the Sheriffs Dept had around 4 or 5 deputies to cover the county 24/7.

 

By comparison the county to the south of here has no police departments and a Sheriff's Department of no more than 5 deputies but they have at least 3 troopers assigned as additional support.

 

I don't think this is as much of a revenue grab from citations. More to generate activity (citations/contacts/warnings) that can show efforts being made for safer highways. That information is then used to apply for or codify federal grants for highway safety.

 

So it's still a money grab; just a grab for our federal tax dollars as opposed to dollars from citations? I'd feel better if it was a grab for dollars from those violating the law.

Ohio State Highway Patrol only have jurisdiction on the highways, they don't answer other "Police type" calls. Comparing them and KSP is kind a like comparing apples and oranges.

 

I think the reason that the check points are released ahead of time is more as a deterrent that anything else. "Here is where we will be set up, but you don't know where we will be and when we will be there". If you look at that list, at least 46 check points are noted, that would take a huge amount of resources and manpower to set up to do that many traffic checkpoints. Does not sound reasonable that they could actually complete that many checkpoints, unless this is a list to be completed over several months.

 

Actually, my comparison was on point, as it pertained strictly to the fact that both agencies publicize their check points in the media. As I said, I believe this has to do with a constitutional issue and there may be court precedent on the matter.

 

Well aware of of the subtle differences in the structure of the agencies though. Again, my point was about publicizing the check points.

Actually, my comparison was on point, as it pertained strictly to the fact that both agencies publicize their check points in the media. As I said, I believe this has to do with a constitutional issue and there may be court precedent on the matter.

 

Well aware of of the subtle differences in the structure of the agencies though. Again, my point was about publicizing the check points.

Gotcha. I was just pointing out that OSHP only operates on the highways and KSP have many other duties.

So it's still a money grab; just a grab for our federal tax dollars as opposed to dollars from citations? I'd feel better if it was a grab for dollars from those violating the law.

That is the carrot that DC dangles to all departments to get enforcement of things like speed limits and seat belts.

Gotcha. I was just pointing out that OSHP only operates on the highways and KSP have many other duties.

 

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