Forwarded this pic to a former player of Nell's back in the early 90's....her caption is "Bath anyone?" Said this player was likely "drenched in spit after that reaming!"

Forwarded this pic to a former player of Nell's back in the early 90's....her caption is "Bath anyone?" Said this player was likely "drenched in spit after that reaming!"

The player in the pic is my son's girlfriend and I have a funny story about the spitting thing.

 

She transferred to Boone this year from Cooper. Her first day at practice Nell got in her face and as she was yelling, just like you said, she spit on her....the girl went to wipe it off in the middle of the tyraid and Nell told her she better get used to it lol.....the other players then told her "yea, don't wipe the spit off as she's yelling, you have to get used to it" lol

What do you think this kid or the parents of this kid feel about this picture? Posted all over the place.

 

We blow it off because she wins. What if she had a 500 record? What if it was her first year coaching? Would this pic be okay then?

Actually the player thinks the pic is funny. It may not be your personality or coaching style to do that, but everyone coaches different. If the players had a serious problem with her they wouldn't play for her. Instead they all choose to play for her and she hasn't lost many players that I know of. She actually has players wanting to go there and play for her because she gets the best out of them.

 

It may rub some people wrong and I can understand that, but I will tell you she is also the first after games to pat those players on the back.

 

If she was as horrible as some make her out to be then 1. she wouldn't be coaching still and 2. she wouldn't have anyone wanting to play for her.

Actually the player thinks the pic is funny. It may not be your personality or coaching style to do that, but everyone coaches different. If the players had a serious problem with her they wouldn't play for her. Instead they all choose to play for her and she hasn't lost many players that I know of. She actually has players wanting to go there and play for her because she gets the best out of them.

 

It may rub some people wrong and I can understand that, but I will tell you she is also the first after games to pat those players on the back.

If she was as horrible as some make her out to be then 1. she wouldn't be coaching still and 2. she wouldn't have anyone wanting to play for her.

 

The bold is huge. If you praise players and applaud success, they will accept the tirades.

The bold is huge. If you praise players and applaud success, they will accept the tirades.

One of the first things one should and usually does learn when they are put in a position of authority (whether a coach or a management position at work ) and one of the first things I learned was whether you are counseling someone, evaluating someone face to face or coaching someone is you always end with something positive. You do that and you not only keep their attention but you also earn their respect.

 

Just like in life in a supervisory role or management role it's the same as a coach, youu will always be more succesful when your subordinates, peers and/or players respect you than like you.

 

I'd much rather be respected than be liked. When you become buddy buddy and are liked instead of respected is when you get walked over.

 

I was never a Bobby Knight fan, but one thing you can't doubt is the love of him by his former players. They say he would go above and beyond when they nneeded something and that is becausehe cares for his players, most succesful coaches are ones that stilll have their former players coming back again and again just to be with that coach. Coaching, or at least great coaching doesn't end when the season is over.

The good ones know when to give a pat on the back or a kick in the butt. If she did this all the time it wouldn't work, just like being calm and composed all the time doesn't work either. A good coach pushes a player to a place that the player didn't think they could go. In 10 years that player will thank her coach for this and miss her greatly.

I would say her success may have been assisted by some very talented transfers ending up on her doorstep over the years.

 

You won't find anyone more hardcore than me, but this isn't the way to handle things with female, high school, student athletes. It's not like she happened to get caught once and this is the only time it's happened. It happens multiple times a game to multiple players. You say this is why they win...I see many other coaches win without any of this type of tactic. Dale Mueller, Ken Shields, Bill Herrmann (old HHS football coach), many many others. You can't relate screaming at kids a half inch from their face to winning!

 

I lost it one time like this in an AAU game and I regret it to this day. It's not the way to handle it. They may play hard for her, but is it for the right reasons. Is winning in high school so important that you think this is okay?

 

Look at the poor kid's body language. Look at Nell, she's lost it in this pic. She is angry! She's not teaching anything here! I have no problem with a coach getting in someone's tailend, but there is a time and place for it.

 

What do you think this kid or the parents of this kid feel about this picture? Posted all over the place.

 

We blow it off because she wins. What if she had a 500 record? What if it was her first year coaching? Would this pic be okay then?

 

Anyone who played for Coach Shields can tell you he yelled at them like this. Its part of playing competitively. No one took it personally and we knew he cared about us and was just making a point. That said, my experience is it doesn't work very well when coaching girls basketball.

Also, i'm glad i was able to play for Coach Shields and I'm glad he screamed at me. He probably should've screamed more.

Also, i'm glad i was able to play for Coach Shields and I'm glad he screamed at me. He probably should've screamed more.

 

Never once saw him rip into anyone on the floor. Maybe in practice, but never saw it in a game situation like this. EVER! Practice is completely different.

He definitely yelled at people during the games and on the floor. i have my own specific examples. Maybe not a prolonged in your face type yell like this, but there was strong messages and no one was immune. More of it was saved for referees. I in no way think any of it was bad or excessive. It was only taken as part of coaching. It never bothered me a bit. We all have stories we still laugh and talk about.

 

I do think yelling is less effective now than what it was years ago though. Kids are wired a little differently.

You can say all you want to defend it...it's not right. Have not seen one other coach lose their composure that much in any situations this year. None. Are they are doing a bad job. She does it multiple times a game! You say she motivates them. There are plenty of other ways to motivate kids without screaming at them in their face. You say you don't like Bobby Knight, but he wins! Why don't you like Bobby Knight. Because of his tactics??? I bet the kid he choked doesn't send him a Christmas card. And yes, some will defend him, but many others came out and couldn't stand him. Others transferred. You say many want to play for her. Well I have an AAU Organization full of parents and kids (about 125 kids) that tell me they would never let their kid play for her. In fact, they look for ways not to (meaning move out of the district). It swings both ways.

 

What did she get out of them this year? They were very average in my opinion. They won an average district. Then went to region and got beat by 30 once they played a good team. They had a D1 player on their roster. They played another senior. They have a super soph in the switzer girl and they they have very athletic Junior in Knotts. Not trying to put their team down, but if she was a miracle worker that you make her out to be, she should of had a better season. She did have some things to work with this year. Still an average year.

 

I've been managing people at a very respected firm for 15 years and I've never had to scream at someone to earn their respect. In fact, they teach us quite the opposite. Many different ways to earn respect. One is to carry yourself the way you'd want your students, workforce, etc to carry themselves. Not blow up when things don't go as planned.

 

So what I'm hearing is...it's okay to belittle a kid, spit in their face, embarrass them in front of hundreds of people, if you pat them on the butt and tell them nice job at the end of the day? Abuse them all you want as long as you compliment them in the end. That makes a lot of sense!

 

If you respect people, they will respect you!

 

Again, I am as hardcore competitive as they come, but my kid would NEVER play for her.

 

Noone has answered my question. Is it okay because she wins at the high school level?? If she had a .500 record or it was her first year coaching and you saw this picture, would you still be defending her?

Never once saw him rip into anyone on the floor. Maybe in practice, but never saw it in a game situation like this. EVER! Practice is completely different.

Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. His own boy took a ton of his wrath during games.

RCC9, Where do I begin? First off you said you've never seen a coach ever yell at players. You haven't seen any high school football games then, I can garuntee that.

 

You asked what they did this year because according to you they were average at best. They won the district, they also beat the team that won regionals in SK.

 

Show me where I said it's ok to scream at someone at work. You can't comprehend much apparently. You are insane if you say coaches never yell, and you are a sports fan? Have you ever watched any game? I would guess you have, the games where everyone gets a ribbon for participation and a hug from the coaches at every timeout.

 

I never said she had a great team that should of won it all. They were avg and yet this so called avg team that wasn't supposed to do anything still cut down the nets in the district Tournament. I think your problem is you simply refuse to give credit where credit is due. Your hatred for someone you know nothing about has blinded any ability for you to see Nell Fookes in an unbiased way period.

 

You don't like Nell? That's fine, but some of the ridiculous statements you made just made you sound silly. When someone makes an idiotic comment that coaches don't yell at their players explains to me all I need to know.

 

You'd never make it in the military.

Edited March 8, 201313 yr by Hellbird

Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. His own boy took a ton of his wrath during games.

 

Well here's where you're wrong. Coach Shields had 3 girls. No boys! So l'm not really sure who you're talking about.

Well here's where you're wrong. Coach Shields had 3 girls. No boys! So l'm not really sure who you're talking about.

 

You're wrong too. He has 4 girls and 1 boy. His son was a football player. Didn't play on the bball team.