I Just think if it is hard for a major league pitcher to go over a 100 then a high school pitcher should never go over 80 pitches in a game IMO.

...this is an interesting point and part of my contention, as to the importance of Pitch Counts for youth, high school and college age pitchers.

 

MLB pitchers, go every 4th-5th day and they do not play other positions, so they can possibly throw a few more pitches in certain mid-late season games, than early since their arms/bodies are more developed and better conditioned....at the same time, the availability of whirpools, massages, training facilities, therapy and preparation is much more available at the professional level.

 

Not playing a position, allows a pitcher to recover properly time wise and eliminates a lot of undo stress, on muscles, tendons and the cuff.

...this is an interesting point and part of my contention, as to the importance of Pitch Counts for youth, high school and college age pitchers.

 

MLB pitchers, go every 4th-5th day and they do not play other positions, so they can possibly throw a few more pitches in certain mid-late season games, than early since their arms/bodies are more developed and better conditioned....at the same time, the availability of whirpools, massages, training facilities, therapy and preparation is much more available at the professional level.

 

Not playing a position, allows a pitcher to recover properly time wise and eliminates a lot of undo stress, on muscles, tendons and the cuff.

 

Very True. I'd be willing to bet that most starting pitchers put 16-20 hours into recovery and preparation from start to start. HS pitchers generally don't have the time or resources.

 

Strike3 - Have you ever met Dr Tim Kremchek? He's the team doctor for the reads. He's incredible.

Strike3 - Have you ever met Dr Tim Kremchek? He's the team doctor for the reads. He's incredible.

...No but I would enjoy any meeting with specialists, regarding movement of the arm in relation to Baseball.

 

I have done extensive research on arm strengthening, conditioning and recovery, plus spoken with numerous High School and College coaches on the subject, to better educate myself.

...No but I would enjoy any meeting with specialists, regarding movement of the arm in relation to Baseball.

 

I have done extensive research on arm strengthening, conditioning and recovery, plus spoken with numerous High School and College coaches on the subject, to better educate myself.

 

Obviously, I meant the Reds and not the reads. Ha Ha. Anyway, I had a chance to see his facilities and meet and talk with him in Cincinnati. In one building, he has his attending rooms, x-ray abilities, MRI abilities, a very large physical therapy facility and a Chiropractic facility. Very impressive. And he's the most knowledgable about arm movement guy I've ever spoken too. He's pretty amazing.

Obviously, I meant the Reds and not the reads. Ha Ha. Anyway, I had a chance to see his facilities and meet and talk with him in Cincinnati. In one building, he has his attending rooms, x-ray abilities, MRI abilities, a very large physical therapy facility and a Chiropractic facility. Very impressive. And he's the most knowledgable about arm movement guy I've ever spoken too. He's pretty amazing.

...I new you meant Reds...

 

Had to be a great experience, to see and hear firsthand that type of information from a MLB doctor.

 

Did you happen to discuss, what type of pre-season, during and after conditioning that starting pitchers will go through...and after game therapy, for all pitchers?

Actually, we talked more at the HS and college level. Specifically, about a sprained UCL my oldest son has.

Actually, we talked more at the HS and college level. Specifically, about a sprained UCL my oldest son has.

Splint or flexible thumb splint for the injury....

 

Fairly common wrist injury, when playing football and skateboarding. Hope he is fully recovered.

Doing physical therapy. Doc says he will be fine.

...this is an interesting point and part of my contention, as to the importance of Pitch Counts for youth, high school and college age pitchers.

 

MLB pitchers, go every 4th-5th day and they do not play other positions, so they can possibly throw a few more pitches in certain mid-late season games, than early since their arms/bodies are more developed and better conditioned....at the same time, the availability of whirpools, massages, training facilities, therapy and preparation is much more available at the professional level.

 

Not playing a position, allows a pitcher to recover properly time wise and eliminates a lot of undo stress, on muscles, tendons and the cuff.

 

You come and watch the Owls from Owsley this year and you will see some great 1st basemen. I'm sure there will be people ask me, "why isn't Robert Smith playing short?" You and I know why. After my pitcher throw a game, they will be treated with playing 1st base the next game. It will hurt the defense a little, but I must do what is best for my players health.

Well I was pitcher in high school and it was hard for me to go over about 65-70 pitches, but i had a long throw brung it way back. I Just think if it is hard for a major league pitcher to go over a 100 then a high school pitcher should never go over 80 pitches in a game IMO.

I disagree, I think it goes accordinng to the pitchers arm strength and conditioning. I too pitched in high school, and it was no problem for me to throw 100 pitches. But I will say that I also trained very hard on my body and my arm. I used to long throw almost every day, ran every day, and weight trained 3 days a week.

With the season getting close I hope some coaches out there read this post. Although some people disagree a little there's a lot of great advise listed. The main thing should be DO NOT HURT THE KID !!!!

With the season getting close I hope some coaches out there read this post. Although some people disagree a little there's a lot of great advise listed. The main thing should be DO NOT HURT THE KID !!!!

100% agree... :thumb:

 

No win, can be worth hurting a Pitchers arm....NO win and if in doubt, than you have probably answered your own question, on if they should pitch.

 

:thumb:

I totally agree. I was involved in the State Championship series that helped to bring about the rule about pitching in consecutive games and resting. Lafayette had a real good pitcher in Jed Durough, who beat St X and Paul Byrd the night before, and then came back with him the next day vs us in the championship after throwing 7 innings the night before. He was a pro prospect and doing that ruined his arm and he was never the same pitcher afer that. So coaches do have to show some responsibility to the players, as you could possibly ruin their future in the next level.

Very True. I'd be willing to bet that most starting pitchers put 16-20 hours into recovery and preparation from start to start. HS pitchers generally don't have the time or resources.

 

Strike3 - Have you ever met Dr Tim Kremchek? He's the team doctor for the reads. He's incredible.

 

He did my shoulder surgery. :thumb:

 

BTW, proof a pitch count and taking care of your arm is important.

With the season getting close I hope some coaches out there read this post. Although some people disagree a little there's a lot of great advise listed. The main thing should be DO NOT HURT THE KID !!!!

I posted this hoping that coaches would heed some of the good advise given in many of the replies, but I saw a kid throw over a 130 pitches in a opening game. It was also cold lower 40's. I guess they don't read or don't heed.