Forced unionism

[Know It All]

Do Kentucky workers deserve freedom of choice?

[UKMustangFan]

Voted wrong. I voted yes to the question posed in post #1, should've read the poll question, and voted no.

[Bert]

While I am fine with workers having the right to opt out of joining the union, I do not believe workers should be able to opp out willy nilly then hurry up and rejoin again. The reason being I could see workers join when it comes time for the new union contract to come up for vote but then once the contract is signed, you are guaranteed your raise and benefits and then you opt out of paying dues. I don't know if the answer is if you join, you are committed for the entire time of the contract or what but the ability to join and then quickly drop would allow members to cheat the union.

 

Also saying that, if someone drops out of the union, I don't think they should be guaranteed the union wage, if the company wants to cut costs, they can cut salaries of those not protected by the union.

[PurplePride92]

You are only forced to join a union if you go to work at a unionized plant. If you don't want to join a union don't apply at a plant that has one. Nobody is forcing you to apply. Are they?

 

If you come to Corning applying for an entry level(hourly) job you will have to join the union to work here. If you are applying as an engineer, managerial, human resources, IT then you won't be in the union.

 

If not for unions hourly people would be treated like second class citizens. I take that back. If not for unions hourly people would be treated worse than the second class citizens that union employees are currently being treated. How dare the hourly scum try to organize and get a piece of the pie.

[doomer]

Non-skilled-trade unions have out-lasted their need. The Federal government gives employees the rights and powers needed for protection. The government's protection of the unions is extremely counter productive and driving manufacturing to right-to-work states or overseas.

 

Who in their right mind would start up a business, invest their life in it, then share management with local representatives who often have not the experience, the qualifications or knowledge of the specific industry to support the long-term health of the business who is EMPLOYING the workers? And oh, by the way the local representatives change every three years or so. It is a ridiculous concept in today's system.

[PurplePride92]

Non-skilled-trade unions have out-lasted their need. The Federal government gives employees the rights and powers needed for protection. The government's protection of the unions is extremely counter productive and driving manufacturing to right-to-work states or overseas.

 

Who in their right mind would start up a business, invest their life in it, then share management with local representatives who often have not the experience, the qualifications or knowledge of the specific industry to support the long-term health of the business who is EMPLOYING the workers? And oh, by the way the local representatives change every three years or so. It is a ridiculous concept in today's system.

 

What kind of business is being started up and how many employees are being hired? Seems like small businesses wouldn't even be touched by unions.

 

Local representatives only change when the membership is dissatisfied with its leadership. If things continue as they are I plan to be local president until I retire, get tired of it or Ky becomes RTW. Whichever comes first.

[doubledeuce]

Do Kentucky workers deserve freedom of choice?

 

 

You do have a choice...nobody makes you or forces you to work at a particular company. If a condition of employment is to join the union and you do not want to join the union go somewhere else to work.

[Lawnboy13]

You are only forced to join a union if you go to work at a unionized plant. If you don't want to join a union don't apply at a plant that has one. Nobody is forcing you to apply. Are they?

 

If you come to Corning applying for an entry level(hourly) job you will have to join the union to work here. If you are applying as an engineer, managerial, human resources, IT then you won't be in the union.

 

If not for unions hourly people would be treated like second class citizens. I take that back. If not for unions hourly people would be treated worse than the second class citizens that union employees are currently being treated. How dare the hourly scum try to organize and get a piece of the pie.

 

Then this 2nd class citizen is doing just fine.......I work for FedEx and we are NOT union and I can't complain one bit about my hourly pay, benefits, 401k, retirement package, week of sick days, week of personal days, & 4 weeks vacation (get my 5th week next year). Hell maybe if we had a union I'd have it even better. :lol:

[doubledeuce]

Then this 2nd class citizen is doing just fine.......I work for FedEx and we are NOT union and I can't complain one bit about my hourly pay, benefits, 401k, retirement package, week of sick days, week of personal days, & 4 weeks vacation (get my 5th week next year). Hell maybe if we had a union I'd have it even better. :lol:

 

You can thank the Teamsters and UPS, to a point, for what you have. FedEx in their efforts to keep the union out has decided to offer work conditions/wages/benefits on par with their counterparts. It is much the same thing that goes on in Georgtown with Toyota.

 

 

If you treat the employees right you will not have to worry about the employees seeking representation.

[doomer]

What kind of business is being started up and how many employees are being hired? Seems like small businesses wouldn't even be touched by unions.

 

Local representatives only change when the membership is dissatisfied with its leadership. If things continue as they are I plan to be local president until I retire, get tired of it or Ky becomes RTW. Whichever comes first.

 

I am sure I would be cool with you as the representative from the local. Our officers from the local change every term. I cannot remember a ticket that has repeated in at least the last 15 years. Most of the reps. have been really good to work with, it is just the fact that it takes them a couple of years to get their legs under them, then they are out of office the next year. It is really frustrating to run a business that way.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

You are only forced to join a union if you go to work at a unionized plant. If you don't want to join a union don't apply at a plant that has one. Nobody is forcing you to apply. Are they?

 

Interesting hearing such a cavalier attitude about things... I agree with your stance, but it also makes me scratch my head a little. It's a different discussion for a different thread, but I find that position to be somewhat contrary to the attitude of the construction unions who are fighting for all public jobs to require 100% unionized labor. Nobody is forcing union companies to bid on those jobs. If they don't want to bid a project at non-determined wages, nobody is forcing them to. Why do they make such a stink?

[woodsrider]

What kind of business is being started up and how many employees are being hired? Seems like small businesses wouldn't even be touched by unions.

 

Local representatives only change when the membership is dissatisfied with its leadership. If things continue as they are I plan to be local president until I retire, get tired of it or Ky becomes RTW. Whichever comes first.

How would KY becoming RTW affect your union if that happened? If your members are happy with what they have RTW wouldn't affect you.

[Lawnboy13]

You can thank the Teamsters and UPS, to a point, for what you have. FedEx in their efforts to keep the union out has decided to offer work conditions/wages/benefits on par with their counterparts. It is much the same thing that goes on in Georgtown with Toyota.

 

 

If you treat the employees right you will not have to worry about the employees seeking representation.

 

BINGO!!!

[PurplePride92]

I am sure I would be cool with you as the representative from the local. Our officers from the local change every term. I cannot remember a ticket that has repeated in at least the last 15 years. Most of the reps. have been really good to work with, it is just the fact that it takes them a couple of years to get their legs under them, then they are out of office the next year. It is really frustrating to run a business that way.

 

I bet it is. Familiarity helps out a lot both ways.

 

And thank you. I work hard for my union members but at the same time I work with the company. We all have the same goal at the end of the day. I have developed great relationships with the company and I think that benefits everyone.

[PurplePride92]

How would KY becoming RTW affect your union if that happened? If your members are happy with what they have RTW wouldn't affect you.

 

I'm not sure. It'd be a very interesting scenario to say the least. It depends on what options the company has and how they choose to act. It'd be very interesting.