An attempt to evaluate the possible trade market for the Reds...

**nkufan23** · May 31, 2012

Lets pick up Jamie Moyer Dusty likes vets or Juan Pierre in left and leadoff :ylsuper: Ryan Dumpster might be a good 5th starter if they arent going to use Chapman.

Juan Pierre would actually be a great pickup, he has played well this year and they should have signed him during the offseason...The Reds paid as much for Harris as the Phills did for Pierre...

**EZ Living** · June 1, 2012

Carlos Quentin is going to be great trade bait | HardballTalk

Quentin has been on fire since coming off the DL...He is also playing in SD which I guess doesn't matter because he hasn't played there enough yet, but it would be nice to get him before he falls into a SD funk...Quentin in Cincy in LF batting Cleanup would be a huge upgrade...He has been in the news since coming off the DL as being available...I think I read the Padres would love to ship him soon since he has come off the DL with a bang and is value is probably higher than it will be all summer, especially once he starts hitting at Petco...I believe the Padres get nothing for him if he walks after the year and they got him from the Sox for 2 low to mid level prospects, if they can ship him off now for a few prospects with value they may be able to get a good return on their investment in him...

I would be willing to give them either Stubbs and or Leake from the ML Roster and anyone not named Hamilton, Corcino, Lutz or Cingrani from the farm...The Reds could surely come up with an appealing package between Stubbs/Leake and one or two of Soto, Joseph, Rodriguez, Bowe, Vidal and Gregorius...

So you're suggesting a 3 for 1 for a guy who since his breakout year of 2008 has hit .236, .242 and .254. Keep trading the Padres all your good prospects and your farm system will look like it did when Marge was in charge.

**EZ Living** · June 1, 2012

Cubs Will Consider Offers For Castro, Others: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

If the Cubs paid alot of Soriano's salary would anybody want him in LF? Also it says the Cubs would listen to offers for Castro for 2 big time prospects, would Hamilton and Corcino get it done and if so would you guys do it?...Bryan Lahair seems like a cheap possibility as long as he could be decent in Left...

Castro has a big bat and if he ever learns how to play without making 30 errors a year he could be a perennial All-star but the Cubs aren't going to give him away. Barry Larkin had a ton of errors early in his career and we see the results of time with him. You can however forget about the Reds trading Hamilton as Jocketty said he is pretty much untouchable. As for Corcino there are those in the organization that say Corcino reminds them of a younger Johnny Cueto and we all know he is our #1. I don't see either of those guys going anywhere.

**nkufan23** · June 1, 2012

So you're suggesting a 3 for 1 for a guy who since his breakout year of 2008 has hit .236, .242 and .254. Keep trading the Padres all your good prospects and your farm system will look like it did when Marge was in charge.

None of the prospects I mentioned are big time prospects throughout all of baseball...I listed the guys that would be untouchable in a trade for me, I would trade Stubbs or Leake and a prospect from the players I listed for Qeuntin...

I would rather have Heisey in CF and Quentin in LF everyday than Stubbs everyday in CF with Heisey and Ludwick flip flopping all the time in LF...Heisey might be a step slower but he plays with heart and goes all out, he gets good jumps and isnt afraid to lay out and he can also bunt for a hit which the faster Stubbs struggles to do...

The farm is bare as it is already, there are guys with potential but no top 100 guys except Hamilton and possibly Corcino who I already said I wouldnt trade for anyone....I only mentioned them in a hypothetical trade for Castro because they are the Reds top prospects and thats what the Cubs said that deal would take...It would also be tough to give up Gregorius and Cingrani but I would be willing to part with Cingrani if it came down too it...He wasnt a highly regarded guy before blowing up this year...

I could see the Pads being interested in Stubbs as he and Maybin would cover alot of ground in Petco...

It may be just me but this is way better than anything the Reds can run out there right now...

Phillips

Heisey

Votto

Quentin

Bruce

Frazier

Cozart

Hanigan/Mes

westsider · June 1, 2012

Juan Pierre would actually be a great pickup, he has played well this year and they should have signed him during the offseason...

Tells me all I need to know ...

**nkufan23** · June 1, 2012

Tells me all I need to know ...

You need to know a lot more :thumb:

Anyone is crazy if they wouldn't have rather Signed Pierre over Harris in the off-season to perform the same role on this Reds team...Both players were signed to identical contracts, $800,000...The difference is Pierre has a track record of success...

PLAYER A

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[thead][tr][th]Year[/th][th]Age[/th][th]Tm[/th][th]Lg[/th][th]G[/th][th]PA[/th][th]AB[/th][th]R[/th][th]H[/th][th]2B[/th][th]3B[/th][th]HR[/th][th]RBI[/th][th]SB[/th][th]CS[/th][th]BB[/th][th]SO[/th][th]BA[/th][th]OBP[/th][th]SLG[/th][th]OPS[/th][/tr][/thead]

[tr][td]2012[/td][td]34[/td][td]PHI[/td][td]NL[/td][td]45[/td][td]158[/td][td]145[/td][td]18[/td][td]47[/td][td]4[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]11[/td][td]6[/td][td]2[/td][td]8[/td][td]11[/td][td].324[/td][td].361[/td][td].366[/td][td].727[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]162 Game Avg.[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]162[/td][td]692[/td][td]629[/td][td]90[/td][td]186[/td][td]21[/td][td]8[/td][td]1[/td][td]45[/td][td]51[/td][td]17[/td][td]39[/td][td]39[/td][td].297[/td][td].346[/td][td].363[/td][td].708[/td][/tr]

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PLAYER B

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[thead][tr][th]Year[/th][th]Age[/th][th]Tm[/th][th]Lg[/th][th]G[/th][th]PA[/th][th]AB[/th][th]R[/th][th]H[/th][th]2B[/th][th]3B[/th][th]HR[/th][th]RBI[/th][th]SB[/th][th]CS[/th][th]BB[/th][th]SO[/th][th]BA[/th][th]OBP[/th][th]SLG[/th][th]OPS[/th][/tr][/thead]

[tr][td]2012[/td][td]34[/td][td]CIN[/td][td]NL[/td][td]19[/td][td]37[/td][td]35[/td][td]4[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]6[/td][td].086[/td][td].135[/td][td].143[/td][td].278[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]162 Game Avg.[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]162[/td][td]437[/td][td]379[/td][td]57[/td][td]90[/td][td]15[/td][td]4[/td][td]6[/td][td]33[/td][td]17[/td][td]6[/td][td]48[/td][td]78[/td][td].238[/td][td].327[/td][td].346[/td][td].673[/td][/tr]

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Anyone that thinks Pierre wouldn't have been a better option for this team at the same price or even maybe even for a little extra cash is crazy...Shouldn't be to hard to figure out which player is A and which is B, A is Pierre and B is Harris, Pierre>Harris...It's not even close...Everyone wants to knock Pierre's glove however he isn't nearly as bad in LF as people make him out to be, other than having a noodle for an arm :clap:

**nkufan23** · June 1, 2012

So you're suggesting a 3 for 1 for a guy who since his breakout year of 2008 has hit .236, .242 and .254. Keep trading the Padres all your good prospects and your farm system will look like it did when Marge was in charge.

I don't think you understand that even during those down years he still maintained a very good OBP and would look really good behind Votto...He has pretty good plate discipline especially out of everyone the Reds throw out there...

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[thead][tr][th]Year[/th][th]Age[/th][th]Tm[/th][th]Lg[/th][th]G[/th][th]PA[/th][th]AB[/th][th]R[/th][th]H[/th][th]2B[/th][th]3B[/th][th]HR[/th][th]RBI[/th][th]BB[/th][th]SO[/th][th]BA[/th][th]OBP[/th][th]SLG[/th][th]OPS[/th][th]Awards[/th][/tr][/thead]

[tr][td]2006[/td][td]23[/td][td]ARI[/td][td]NL[/td][td]57[/td][td]191[/td][td]166[/td][td]23[/td][td]42[/td][td]13[/td][td]3[/td][td]9[/td][td]32[/td][td]15[/td][td]34[/td][td].253[/td][td].342[/td][td].530[/td][td].872[/td][td][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2007[/td][td]24[/td][td]ARI[/td][td]NL[/td][td]81[/td][td]263[/td][td]229[/td][td]29[/td][td]49[/td][td]16[/td][td]0[/td][td]5[/td][td]31[/td][td]18[/td][td]54[/td][td].214[/td][td].298[/td][td].349[/td][td].647[/td][td][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2008[/td][td]25[/td][td]CHW[/td][td]AL[/td][td]130[/td][td]569[/td][td]480[/td][td]96[/td][td]138[/td][td]26[/td][td]1[/td][td]36[/td][td]100[/td][td]66[/td][td]80[/td][td].288[/td][td].394[/td][td].571[/td][td].965[/td][td]ASMVP-5SS[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2009[/td][td]26[/td][td]CHW[/td][td]AL[/td][td]99[/td][td]399[/td][td]351[/td][td]47[/td][td]83[/td][td]14[/td][td]0[/td][td]21[/td][td]56[/td][td]31[/td][td]52[/td][td].236[/td][td].323[/td][td].456[/td][td].779[/td][td][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2010[/td][td]27[/td][td]CHW[/td][td]AL[/td][td]131[/td][td]527[/td][td]453[/td][td]73[/td][td]110[/td][td]25[/td][td]2[/td][td]26[/td][td]87[/td][td]50[/td][td]83[/td][td].243[/td][td].342[/td][td].479[/td][td].821[/td][td][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2011[/td][td]28[/td][td]CHW[/td][td]AL[/td][td]118[/td][td]483[/td][td]421[/td][td]53[/td][td]107[/td][td]31[/td][td]0[/td][td]24[/td][td]77[/td][td]34[/td][td]84[/td][td].254[/td][td].340[/td][td].499[/td][td].838[/td][td]AS[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]2012[/td][td]29[/td][td]SDP[/td][td]NL[/td][td]3[/td][td]14[/td][td]12[/td][td]5[/td][td]7[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]3[/td][td]6[/td][td]2[/td][td]1[/td][td].583[/td][td].643[/td][td]1.583[/td][td]2.226[/td][td][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]162 Game Avg.[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]162[/td][td]640[/td][td]553[/td][td]85[/td][td]140[/td][td]33[/td][td]2[/td][td]32[/td][td]102[/td][td]57[/td][td]102[/td][td].254[/td][td].347[/td][td].496[/td][td].844[/td][td][/td][/tr]

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I would gladly take the .254 AVG with the 33 2B, 32 HR, 102 RBI and .347 OBP that he has averaged in his career...And too think that GABP should only help increase those numbers...Stubbs and Heisey are a wash with the only difference being Stubbs has more speed and was a top draft pick that is still young and someone the Padres may be interested in...I would gladly trade Stubbs and one of the Reds many Mid-Level Prospects for Quentin...

Quentin would have the best OBP on the Reds team other than Votto, Rolen and Hanigan...However we know Rolen is done and Hanigan hasn't had near the plate appearances of Quentin in his career...It's also interesting that Votto and Quentin average identical HR and RBI numbers in there careers...

Edited June 1, 2012 by nkufan23

**nkufan23** · June 1, 2012

One last post...Based on 162 GM averages...You lose nothing getting rid of Stubbs except his SB's and a whole lot of griping about him by Reds fans...At the same time the top of the Order improves as does the Middle of the Order, it could be one of the best in baseball...I would even do it if it mean keeping Stubbs and trading away just a couple prospects :lol: as much as I hate Stubbs...

Pre Potential Quentin Trade

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