Vangelis

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Per the National Federation of State high School Associations (NFHS), 1- members of the chain crew are actually considered officials, not fans. 2-The chains and the official down box shall be placed opposite the press box or "the designated sideline." 3-The crew must refrain from showing any partisan reaction to events taking place on the playing field. 4-Complete concentration of the crew is absolutely necessary. 5-Operating the equipment 6 feet off of the sideline is for the protection of the players, coaches, and all persons who are part of the game. Actually, I like having the chains 2 yards off of the field. It gives me room to work. I also don't have to worry about running into the chain crew and the chains while I am officiating a play. If the players and coaches get in my way during the game and prevent me from carrying out my duties, I have no problem with giving a sideline warning. It usually works like a charm the first time! :thumb: Also, I would not have a problem removing a chain crew member if they happen to cross the line. We have had several officials who have had to actually do that during a game. Right Offside? :devil:

Do you mean it better be "BIG AND OBVIOUS!!" I have actually seen that foul called! :eek:

I will defer and support the officials who worked the game. With all due respect, they have probably forgotten more about officiating football than most experts like you will ever know. :argue: Are they a good crew? Yes. Were they perfect? No they were not, but what officiating crew is. Were they as bad as everyone is alleging? No way! Did the officiating impact the outcome of the game? NO it did not. Time to move on! Good luck to both Cov Cath and Beechwood the rest of the year. :thumb:

On plays near the end zone, it's really hard for the back judge (who should be on the end line at least 10 yards away), the referee (who is usually at least 12+ yards away depending on the referee), or the umpire (who is usually behind the defensive linemen and linebackers) to tell if the "ball" crossed the plane of the goal. The officials on the wing have the best vantage point. The other officials might be able to tell if the player ended up in the end zone, but not whether his forward progress was stopped before the ball crossed the plane or whether the runner was down when his knee hit the ground before the ball crossed the goal line. When there are 22 bodies congesting the middle of the field, it can be a very, very tough call to make.

It's not the back ref's call! It's the wing officials' call! :confused:

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If the QB is in a shotgun formation and his offensive linemen cut block as soon as the ball is snapped, that is legal. However, if the linemen delay the block and cut when the ball is out of the zone, then you have a problem. (See my previous post regarding the rule on blocking below the waist) With regard to your GUTS statement, I strongly disagree. :mad: Eventhough most of the officials that I know do have big guts, (especially the umpires that work for local TV stations :thumb:) they do have the "cajones" to call the foul if, and when, they see it. :fight:

Maybe this will help. This is what we teach our officials: BLOCKING BELOW THE WAIST Blocking below the waist is making initial contact below the waist from the front or side against an opponent other than a runner. Blocking below the waist applies only when the opponent has one or both feet on the ground. Blocking below the waist is ILLEGAL except: When the block below the waist is in the free blocking zone AND All players involved in the blocking are on their lines of scrimmage and in the zone AND The contact is in the zone. Otherwise, blocking below the waist, by the offense or the defense is illegal unless it is against a runner or a player pretending to be a runner. Also once the ball leaves the zone, blocking below the waist is illegal. :thumb:

A defender may legally contact an eligible receiver beyond the neutral zone before the pass is in flight. The contact may be a block or warding off the opponent who is attempting to block by pushing or pulling him. However, if the receiver is not attempting to block or has gone past or is moving away, it is illegal use of the hands.

Hey, WhoozYoDaddy, you really know good talent when you see it don't you? Why don't you consider joining the local officiating association? I'm sure that the NKOA members would "greet" you with open arms! The meetings are at 7:00 PM at Beechwood. We were going to have the meetings earlier, but a majority of us can't get off work that early. Most of us "part-timers" work at the Greater Cinti Association for the Blind, the Cinti Eye Institute, Lens Crafters, Lasik Plus, the Northern Ky Eye Center, and the Stevie Wonder School of Officiating. Here's the link to our site: nkoafootball.org. I hope to "see" you at the next meeting! :cool:

Vanny-G?? :laugh:

Sandman32, we could really use you on Friday nights!!! How about it?

If I am not mistaken, Northern Ky is very fortunate to have at least 3 or 4 current football officials who have previously been awarded the KHSAA Football Official of the Year. The ones that I know of are: Chuck Smith Joe Frank Matt Young That's pretty impressive! :thumb:

That's why he is known as "Joe the Pro" or "Number 1."

The good old days of Randy Reese and CONK!

No problem here! I'm just defending my boys in the stripes from an unwarranted pot shot! :irked: I wish both teams well the rest of the season. :thumb:

Boy you hit the nail on the head! That "group" apparently had an off night from the working some pee wee games. They're bottom of the barrel. Usually, they're "out of town" if you know what I mean. I heard that one of the officials has an RV that the "group" frequently uses since the crew never works a local game. Although, if you think that you can do a better job than the above-mentioned "group" why don't you consider joining the local officiating association (NKOA). They meet on Tuesday nights at Beechwood at 7:00 PM.

7:00 PM is fine with me!

"No player or nonplayer shall charge into or throw an opponent to the ground 'after he is obviously out of the play' or after the ball is clearly dead either in or out of bounds; pile on any player who is lying on the ground; position himself on the shoulders or body of a teammate or an opponent to gain an advantage; throw a helmet to trip an opponent; or make any other contact with an opponent which is deemed 'unnecessary' and which incites roughness." (9-4-3a-g) Like it or not, it is a foul for illegal personal contact when a player charges into or throws an opponent to the ground after he is obviously out of the play.

Players that trail a play, typically ease up and become spectators. More often than not, they usually walk, jog or stand still in the middle of the field and watch the play unfold before them. Whenever that happens those players become easy targets since they don't expect to get hit by an opposing player. They are defenseless players. Officials are not only charged with the duty of administering the rules in order to make sure that contest is fair and balanced, but we also have the ultimate responsibility for player safety. Each play is different. Slight contact that does not knock a player down might not warrant a penalty, but rather some preventative officiating. On the other hand, contact 10 yards behind a play that causes another player to fall down, well, that is different story.

It's a safety issue nothing more, nothing less. There was no need to hit a player 10 yards behind the ball carrier. I imagine that particular "hit" had no impact on the play.

"10 yards behind the ball carrier"-That's probably why it was called.

Great pictures Guru! Did you have to use a wide angle lens when you photographed the white hat? He's definitely not a back judge anymore.

I don't think that you have anything to worry about. :thumb: