ukbellco14

Read my PM and PM back if you have difficulty comprehending! :fight:

Thats ok SKINGPIG aka Too bad Clay doesnt stand a chance against the two teams ukbellco14 supports. I think someone is jealous! :sssh: Ohhh my bad, no namecalling!

I guess I am the luckiest sports fan in KY. I cant help the fact that SL bball and Bell footballl are successful! I would be right there, and have been right there, when they werent so successful! Bell bball isnt so successful and yet I'm still a Bell bball fan. I am not a SL football fan, but have my personal reasons for not being a diehard SL football fan. Even since they have started having moderate success on the gridiron I have not jumped on that bandwagon, and if they won a state champinship I wouldnt either. Thats not a frontrunner!!! :madman:

I have done lots of research to defend my position, so I just wanted to get it all in one post and correct any possible errors. Let the FACTS speak for themselves, no matter how ya spin 'em. :lol: How can anyone argue with this stuff!!! Must have some homers on this board!!! :lol: Since '00, based on Regional Trophys: 1. Rock (4 region championships) 2. Bell (1 region championship, 3 region runnerups - all losses to Rock) 3. Mason (1 region championship) 4. Ashland (2 region runnerups) 5. Sheldon Clark (1 regional runnerup) Regional Championship Games: 2000: Rock defeats Sheldon Clark 2001: Rock defeats Bell Co. 2002: Rock defeats Bell Co. 2003: Mason defeats Ashland 2004: Bell Co defeats Ashland 2005: Rock defeats Bell Co. Rock and Bell have played in the regional championship a combined 8 times winning 5 of those regional crowns.... District 8 has played in the regional championship a combined 4 times winning one regional crown. District 7 has not lost to District 8 in the regional championship in this millenium. The favorite(s) to win the regional crown has come out of District 7 every year, with District 8 having a co-favorite twice. Rock was the favorite in '00, Rock and Lawrence were the favorites in '01, Bell and Rock were the favorites in '02, Bell and Mason were the favorites in '03, Bell was the favorite in '04, Bell and Rock were the favorites in '05. Since '00: Distict 7 Rock has 4 region championship trophys (Rock, when they have made it to the championship game, hasnt lost in the championship game) Bell has 1 region championship trophy and 3 region runnerup trophys (the only team Bell has lost to in the championship game is Rock) Since '00: District 8 Mason has 1 region championship trophy (Beat Mason) Sheldon Clark has 1 regional runnerup trophy (Loss to Rock) Ashland has 2 regional runnerup trophys (1 loss to Mason, one to Bell) Region Championship Games since '00: '00 District 7 (Rock) vs District 8 (Sheldon Clark) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '01 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Bell) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '02 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Bell) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '03 District 8 (Mason) vs District 8 (Ashland) - winner = District 8 (Mason) '04 District 7 (Bell) vs District 8 (Ashland) - winner = District 7 (Bell) '05 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Rock) - winner = District 7 (Rock) District 7 has had a representative in the region championship game 5 out of 6 times, with 3 of those times having co-representatives (Bell and Rock). District 8 has had a representative in the region championship game 3 out of 6 times, with 1 of those times having co-representatives (Ashland and Mason). -Bell is 9-2 vs. District 8 -2 losses came against Ashland (2 seed) in the first round of '00 and an upset minded Boyd (4 seed) in the first round of '03. - On a side note to '03. Many felt that after Bell Co. was uncharacteristically upset by Boyd, the region crown was automatically Mason's, since Bell was the favorite to win the crown and the only team to be able to take out Mason. -The only loss Bell as taken to a #1 or #2 seed from District 8 is against Ashland in '00. -Bell Co. upset the #1 seed, and favorite to win the regional crown, Lawrence Co. in '01 -No Excuses But: '00 Bell was a "down" year for Bell as they finished 6-5. -Bell has played in the regional championship game the last 4 seasons. They defeated Ashland for the crown in '04 and lost to Rock in "01, '02, '05. -Rock is 11-2 vs. District 8 -2 losses came to Mason (1 seed) in '03 in the regional championship game and Ashland (1 seed) in '04 in the regional semifinals. -The only losses Rock has taken against a #1 or #2 seed from District 8 is Mason in '03 and Ashland in '04. -No Excuses But: '03 and '04 were "down" years for Rockcastle as graduation hit them hard in '02 and they fielded young teams the next 2 years. -Rock has played in 5 regional championship games, including 4 of the last 5. They won the crown in '00 defeating Sheldon Clark, '01 defeating Bell, '02 defeating Bell, and '05 defeating Bell. They lost to Mason in '03.

I believe you are the first poster from District 8 to admit that. WOW. I dont think JC returns as much as Bell and Rock, although they return more then Ashland. I cant speak for Rock, but Bell lost 1 player of any significance.... Stephen "Buckeye" Hunter. They lost Jeff Howard also, but he can be replaced. It will be very hard to replace Buckeye. If I'm not mistaken Rock returns more then Bell.

This has been anything but a competitive region. District 7, primarily Rock, has dominated this region, with no one but Bell coming close to their success. And Bell is from District 7 as well. So yes, since '00, excluding '03, this region has been ALL District 7. The region is up for grabs, and any one of those teams could be crowned champion. But........ 1.) the RECENT PAST and 2.) last seasons results + returning rosters...... scream loud and clear that MOST LIKELY it will be Rock and Bell in the finals again unless one of those teams disappoints.

As far as the 13th (probably SL) drawing the 5th, I dont think either region is particularly happy. However, I think whichever team gets past the first game has a GREAT shot of making it to the finals.

That is sports, at any level, so deal with it. If E town was the better team they should have proven it on the court. Sure, those fouls hurt E town, but if they were the better team they could have fought through it. Instead, SL wins, goes on to win the championship, and prove they are the best. Let by gones be by gones and get over it. And they will call 2 fouls on him in the first 2 minutes, IF he committs them, like he did last season!

My bad..... beat Ashland!

Well..... when Clay wins I am one of the first to congratulate..... just like I did when they beat NL. And when Clay loses, especially to Bell, I am one of the first to post as well, of course these posts arent usually congratulatory! LOL

I am definantly a SL bball fan...... not much on their football though. And of course.... being a Bell alumn, I love Bobcat football and basketball! Not ashamed at all to admit either of these. I have my personal reasons for liking both schools, and I dont think I would call that being a front runner. :madman: Bell and SL just so happen to be my teams and not just because they win consistently. :mad: You wouldnt be upset 4chs because Bell has dominated Corbin on the gridiron and the Cards layed it to your beloved Runnin Redhounds! :fight: In all honesty I am Pro EAST KY...... but I am also a realist, unlike some East KY fans on BGP.

You are correct....... but considering the abudance of FACTS I have posted, I think it's safe to say that the team with the BEST CHANCE of doing this is Bell Co. Also, considering the abudance of FACTS I have posted, I think its safe to say that the region TRADITIONALLY looks like this. Rock (4 region championships) - - Bell (1 region championship, 3 region runnerups all to Rock) - - Mason (1 region championship) , Ashland (2 region runnerups), Sheldon Clark (1 regional runnerup) - Madison Southern, JCHS, Lawrence etc etc etc Next season I'd say the region looks similar: Rock - Bell - - Ashland, JCHS - all the rest

I am not "bringing up past things" that dont apply to this conversation...... I am bringing up the RECENT PAST and a trend that is obvious to anyone that will see it!!! And YES, that does play a factor in this discussion. You cant deny that what I am talking about doesnt apply to this discussion. It may not be what you like to hear or accept, but I am talking FACTS. Besides that, I am also talking the HERE AND NOW, as in last season and this upcoming season. Last seasons regional champ and regional runnerup return practically their entire roster, and Ashland and JCHS lost some BIG TIME players. That doesnt bode well for District 8 if they want to get to the championship game, let alone win it. Dont get so upset..... all I am talking is FACTS. If those bother you then maybe you should go somewhere else. While we are on this tiopic, here is some more facts. Since '00: Distict 7 Rock has 4 region championship trophys (Rock, when they have made it to the championship game, hasnt lost in the championship game) Bell has 1 region championship trophy and 3 region runnerup trophys (the only team Bell has lost to in the championship game is Rock) Since '00: District 8 Mason has 1 region championship trophy (Beat Mason) Sheldon Clark has 1 regional runnerup trophy (Loss to Rock) Ashland has 2 regional runnerup trophys (1 loss to Mason, one to Bell) Region Championship Games since '00: '00 District 7 (Rock) vs District 8 (Sheldon Clark) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '01 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Bell) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '02 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Bell) - winner = District 7 (Rock) '03 District 8 (Mason) vs District 8 (Ashland) - winner = District 8 (Mason) '04 District 7 (Bell) vs District 8 (Ashland) - winner = District 7 (Bell) '05 District 7 (Rock) vs District 7 (Rock) - winner = District 7 (Rock)

The 2nd best team doesnt come down to anyone but Bell. Ashland and JCHS have a shot..... I agree. But last seasons region champion and last seasons region runnerup both return nearly their entire roster, with Ashland and JCHS losing some big time players. I dont see how anything changes this season, unless Bell or Rock disappoint. The fact remains that Rock or Bell has been in the region championship every year except in '03. 3 of those regional championships was a Bell vs Rock matchup. Bell only plays little brother to Rock in this region, and hopefully they can change that trend this season. It will be a tall order though with Rock returning so much.

Id agree

You are right...... but none of those teams are on the level that SL is.

That had to be a hard post for you to make SKINPIG, considering I'm a Bobcat all the way!!!!

No one is saying that! But its not far from the truth. :lol:

Not saying much considering the 13th region is very weak, with the exception of SL.

I know that..... but that fact is a little decieving. The year that Ashland played Mason, Rock and Bell had been hit hard by graduation the year before and Bell was uncharacteristically upset in the 1st round. The year that Ashland played Bell, it was Bell's region to lose after Rock got knocked out. Here is a "resume" of sorts that shows exactly how Bell & Rock (District 7) have performed comparatively against all other teams from District 8 since '00 - present in Region 4 state playoff competition: -Bell is 9-2 vs. District 8 -2 losses came against Ashland (2 seed) in the first round of '00 and an upset minded Boyd (4 seed) in the first round of '03. - On a side note to '03. Many felt that after Bell Co. was uncharacteristically upset by Boyd, the region crown was automatically Mason's, since Bell was the favorite to win the crown and the only team to be able to take out Mason. -The only loss Bell as taken to a #1 or #2 seed from District 8 is against Ashland in '00. -Bell Co. upset the #1 seed, and favorite to win the regional crown, Lawrence Co. in '01 -No Excuses But: '00 Bell was a "down" year for Bell as they finished 6-5. -Bell has played in the regional championship game the last 4 seasons. They defeated Ashland for the crown in '04 and lost to Rock in "01, '02, '05. -Rock is 11-2 vs. District 8 -2 losses came to Mason (1 seed) in '03 in the regional championship game and Ashland (1 seed) in '04 in the regional semifinals. -The only losses Rock has taken against a #1 or #2 seed from District 8 is Mason in '03 and Ashland in '04. -No Excuses But: '03 and '04 were "down" years for Rockcastle as graduation hit them hard in '02 and they fielded young teams the next 2 years. -Rock has played in 5 regional championship games, including 4 of the last 5. They won the crown in '00 defeating Sheldon Clark, '01 defeating Bell, '02 defeating Bell, and '05 defeating Bell. They lost to Mason in '03. Regional Championship Games: 2000: Rock defeats Sheldon Clark 2001: Rock defeats Bell Co. 2002: Rock defeats Bell Co. 2003: Mason defeats Ashland 2004: Bell Co defeats Ashland 2005: Rock defeats Bell Co. Rock and Bell have played in the regional championship a combined 8 times winning 5 of those regional crowns.... District 8 has played in the regional championship a combine 3 times winning one regional crown. District 7 has not lost to District 8 in the regional championship in this millenium. The favorite(s) to win the regional crown has come out of District 7 every year. Rock was the favorite in '00, Rock and Lawrence were the favorites in '01, Bell and Rock were the favorites in '02, Bell and Mason were the favorites in '03, Bell was the favorite in '04, Bell and Rock were the favorites in '05. Having seen this "resume"....... how can anyone argue: #1 that District 7, primarily Rock and Bell, hasnt dominated District 8 and #2 that Bell isn't right up there on the level with Rock when it comes to regional play. Sure Bell hasnt been able to capture the championship, but Bell is the only team, besides Rock of course, that is consistently in the final battle. Both Bell and Rock return practically their entire rosters from last season, a year in which District 7 dominated District 8 and the 3 best teams in the region came from District 7 (Bell, Rock, and Madison Southern). Having said that....... and considering the recent past...... I dont see how anyone can argue that the favorites to battle for the Region 4 crown in November are Rock and Bell.

I totally agree...... but its not cockiness, just the facts! I'm not saying that Ashland or Jonhson Central doesnt have a chance, I'm just saying that...... base off the recent past, and the returning rosters of Rock and Bell, its a slim chance.

According to who?

I dont think the fact that Rock beat Bell by 3 more points then they beat Ashland by says anything about a Bell and Ashland comparison, except that Rock was significantly better then both of them. If Ashland had played Rock to within a TD or field goal, and Rock would have killed Bell like they did, then you might have a good argument. But Ashland and Bell both got romped by Rock in the playoffs. I dont think you can argue that because Ashland played Rock 3 points closer then Bell did, that that means Ashland was better then Bell. That's pretty ridiculous to me. Also, dont forget that Bell beat Rockcastle in the regular season. :sssh: I would have loved to had seen Ashland against Bell in the finals, as would most the Bell fans. I think its pretty obvious that Rock holds a mental edge over Bell when it comes to the regional final game, and Bell doesnt like seeing Rock in the finals. However, this isnt true of Ashland. Consider this fact...... the last 3 times Bell has met them in the playoffs Bell has walked away with a victory, two of those wins coming in Putnam Stadium, one of them being for the Regional Title. If Bell and Ashland would have met last season it would have been a repeat of the year before. :sssh: Madison Southern was the 3rd best team in the region IMO. They knocked off Johnson Central (who was the favorite out of District 8). You could say it was a tie between Southern and Ashland for the third best team in the region, but based off what I saw, Id say it goes to Southern. Just my opinion though. No need to get offensive. This region will come down to Bell and Rock again this season IMO. You may not like that opinion but give me some evidence why I shouldnt believe this. Tradition and the results of last season when compared to returning rosters backs my opinion up. :thumb:

I did agree with you Les.... but after SL layed it to NL again last night, and Clay fell to BC...... not to mention that SL played pretty sorry and still came away with a 17 point road win against Corbin a few weeks ago...... I say no team in the 13th has a legit shot of beating SL.

The best 3 teams in the Region resided in District 7 last season. This season, Southern drops off, but Bell and Rock are solid as ever. Johnson Central and Ashland have a shot, but I dont see it happening. Barring an upset, it will be another District 7 Regional Final with Bell and Rock duking it out for the championship.