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It does in football, basketball, baseball and other athletics. For example in football, 1 Boone County High School with 3200 students would give 11 kids the opportunity to play football on a given down. With 4 high schools in Boone County with 800 students per school, 44 kids have the opportunity to play football on a given down. That gives 33 kids an opportunity to play that they would not have with 1 county high school.

The question is what is the goal of your program? If your goal is to win state titles then you play a tough competition, find your weaknesses, fix them, get better, play better competition, find your weaknesses, fix them, get better, and repeat this over and over again. If your goal is to win enough games to keep people happy. You play a soft schedule and bow out of the playoffs each year with a loss when facing the best competition. SK is a perfect example. Won six straight against teams they should beat. Played a tough district schedule and Scott County. Lost 3 games and found their weaknesses. Fixed those weaknesses and got better. Now playing in the 3rd round because of the tough schedule they played the past 6 games.

I'm not sure, basketballs are too round for my liking. I agree that it does not solely benefit Privates, but IMO it easier for out of state kids to attend private schools than public schools. Again, due to public school regulations on Tuition and out of district students. I still think the KHSAA should close the borders for the sole reason of every out of state kid that gets to play in KY is taking an opportunity away from a KY kid.

Interesting, I did not know that. The JCPS schools definitely have a better opportunity to do this than 6A County schools because of the size and tightly packed population of Louisville.

One KHSAA rule would be the open borders that kids from Ohio and Indiana can participate in Athletics in the state of Kentucky. Due to Moeller's success in the 1980's with many NKY players being recruited to attend Moeller, the OHSAA has closed the border. A kid cannot live in KY and participate in athletics in Ohio per the OHSAA rules. Just out of curiosity, how many kids that play at Trinity and X, live in Indiana? This rule may be a non-factor for T and X, but I know that Holy Cross Covington has made a living off kids that live in Ohio for many years. Again, since there is no restriction in place, these schools would be foolish not to poach Indiana players.

There is no doubt that Trinity has earned some of the privileges due to their commitment to excellence. Would you agree that their excellence has a lot to do with having only 1 other similar school (St. X) to compete with in the commonwealth of KY? This is not the fault of Trinity. IMO if Trinity had to compete in the GCL with St. X Ohio, Elder, Moeller, Lasalle, etc. and then beat St. Edwards, Cleveland St. Ignatius (sp.), etc. to win State titles, they would not be nearly as successful. The make up of KY is very beneficial for schools like Trinity and St. X. The fact is that public school systems in the state of KY would rather give kids more opportunities to participate in extra curricular activities by building new high schools rather than 1 big super high school. In the scheme of life, IMO the public schools are correct in doing this. Again, this is not a Trinity problem and not a jab at Trinity. Trinity has rightfully taken advantage of the system in KY and the publics are never going to build a super high school just to compete with Trinity/St. X for football state titles.

Because then Conner, Cooper and Scott most likely(assuming they are not 4A) have to play them in 3A along with Holmes and CovCath. The district would be larger and give more guaranteed games.

Because that would prove that being an independent school system means nothing when it comes to being good at football. Independent school systems have district boundaries, just like county schools. All schools take tuition students. Fort Thomas schools actually closed its doors this year to tuition students. There is a major difference between independent and private schools.

This is false. Highlands is not playing up. They are a 4A school per enrollment numbers.

I did not say same enrollment numbers. I said same current enrollment meaning Trinity with 1400 and Highlands with 450. Enrollment size would matter.

I agree with you 100%.

Very good facts! The size does not solely determine success, but definitely gives larger schools more opportunity.

I understand your point. I would say substance of the enrollment matters more, but enrollment size still matters. If it did not matter, there would be no reason to classify schools. If Highlands, Bowling Green, Beechwood, NewCath, Mayfield, LexCath, Central, Trinity and X were all in the same class with current enrollments that I would say have quite a bit of substance, who would win the State Title year in and year out? I would say Trinity would win 85%, X would win 10% and Highlands would win 5% of the time. Why? Enrollment size.

Enrollment size absolutely matters. Is it the end all, be all of success? Absolutely not. Let's use Scott County and Trinity to compare... The 1200 boys that go to Scott County live within the district boundaries of Scott County. They go to school at Scott County and then decide to play football. The kids work hard and have a very nice football program. The 1400 boys at Trinity live in 2 states and multiple counties. The boys that play football at Trinity also decide they want to play football at Trinity and therefore find a way to go to school at Trinity. You add a very strong work ethic and great coaching, you see the success that Trinity sees! These are 2 very different concepts of how the boys become enrolled at each school.

For the record, I am very impressed by what Trinity is able to do on a national level. The streak was unbelievable considering they were playing the best competition they could find within a reasonable distance. I just do not find it impressive when Trinity wins the Kentucky 6A state championship. I think that is something Trinity should do considering the male enrollment size and unlimited boundaries are not comparable to any schools in the state of KY, other than X. I do not question the amount of work that the Trinity kids put into football. You can tell by watching them that they are very well coached and work hard to perfect the skills necessary to be successful. I would just be far more impressed if Trinity had 20 or more state championships in the state of Ohio, where many, many teams have the same types of enrollment size, boundaries, etc. Fortunately for Trinity, they are not located in the state of Ohio. I am far more impressed by teams like Highlands that consistently win championships against schools that have comparable enrollment sizes and boundaries. Congratulations to Moeller on being the 3 seed in region 4 in the state of Ohio, and good luck to Trinity!

No whine. Just facts.

And they should! Other than X, there is not a team in the state of KY that can match Trinity's male enrollment, financial resources, or unlimited boundaries.

I think the question is not completely about Tyler Durham, but more how many kids are passed by because of an inch or a 10th of a second. College coaches miss the boat on kids because rather than look at actual playing ability, they look at combine scores. I have never seen a bench press on a football field. I do not think the combine results should be completely overlooked and I can see where a5'11" kid can be passed over, but not a 6'3" kid.

Correct. I mean beat them in the playoffs. I was answering the question of who are the elite teams.

You are correct on Boyle. I apologize. The elite would be Highlands, CovCath, Boyle, Lex Cath to name a few.

Matney also petitioned the state when they were 5A to play 4A so he could dodge Highlands and CovCath. When the state reclassified and put Highlands and CovCath in 4A, he petitioned the state to play 5A instead of 4A. He also dropped Boyle from the 2nd year of a 2 year contract a couple years ago because Boyle stomped them. His teams will never be considered elite until they beat the elite teams.

Why exactly should CC help make Brossart attractive? Wouldn't CC want to make itself more attractive? After all, they are competing with Brossart for kids. If the new field gets CC 3 football players that were going to go to Brossart, isn't that win for CC?

The year was actually 2005.

It is not a big deal. Opening line of "Wrong" caught me off guard a bit. Really though, LexCath beat Highlands for the first time ever in the 2004 playoffs. 2A football was by far the weakest level of football when in the 4 class system. We are speaking the same language when it comes to learning to win before beating the big boys. I believe some people think teams that have not been successful should be able to go beat the big boys if they "work harder". The truth of the matter is that the stars need to align a little bit to build a championship program. IMO, right or wrong, had Boyle been in the 3A NKY against Highlands, CovCath, Ryle, Dixie, Conner, Holmes, and Scott from 1992 to 1998 while trying to build the program, I believe the Boyle program would not have been nearly as successful as they are now. They happened to get a great Coach with a great plan that got the kids to work, but also an ideal schedule in an ideal classification also allowed them to be successful.

Isn't that what I said, "Dynasty began in 2A" won championships and moved to 3A and won championships? They made Highlands step up their game. Other than it taking Coach Smith 6 years instead of "8 or so years", where was I wrong? I was explaining that Boyle learned to win in 2A before they went to compete with teams like Highlands. You should probably read the post.