SilverShadow

So why isn't the Diocese of Covington and the Archdiocese of Cincinnati leading the charge against the OHSAA to allow students from KY be able to participate in Ohio? Matter of fact, the Superintendent of schools for the Diocese of Covington called it a non issue. Why? Protecting their own NorKY turf? A great swimmer could forget about CovCath and go to Cincy St. X and really make a difference? Where is the energy to make that option available? If it is just as viable for Indianna residents to play in KY athletic association events then why does the Diocese of Covington not show the same focus to make such available for those to play in Ohio?

Absolutely I do! However, your key word is "some" not all. You do know ALL public schools MUST accept special needs, regardless of circumstance?

So if a student with special needs has a voucher, his chance at a private school can be denied? And that is OK?! :sleep: And you say, I do not get it?! Do you think your the first person to think this would actually have a chance and would work. Sorry.

TA, private schools would not have to operate the same way but would have to comply with all things regulations. Or, as you suggest change the rules of the game. What is important to note by your comments is public schools are defined by many rules and regulations and some advocate the private schools would be better without the rules and you simply point out change the rules then see what happens. With tax money is accountability. Or, at least that is what everyone wants to hear.

Thank you for showing your bias. Oh, one last question since you did not answer it, how will the private schools manage manifestation hearings vs. expulsions? I would like to hear YOU answer the question.

Thanks for totally not answering and avoiding. That is exactly why you are dead wrong on vouchers.

And how would you house all the new students? And how would you hire all the needed teachers? And how would you get all the teachers and schools to be in compliance with the law? And how would you accept the management of manifestation hearings vs. expulsions? And how would you accept transportation obligations, day care obligations? It could go on and on. What you are really asking is give you the money without any accountability. That will never happen. AND, if you accept vouchers are you going to suggest the private school will unconditionally accept the student regardless of any issues? Yeah, right. :lol: Also, for vouchers to even be considered, the law has to change and that will not happen.

Not you, unless I paused you to think again. Your points are always acknowledged and appreciated. Sometimes, just not correct.

Oldschool you are making just a few assumptions. Check your comments. A great deal of the circumstance problems do not have a mom AND a dad. Second, do you really wish to empower minor age children, succumb to the ignorance of do not care, trash parent(s) and allow such to totally, not only eject from education but ultimately eject from society. Fast forward a generation and you will truly have a class society and a major set of problems. Please note, many immigrants come to this country leaving a class society. Be careful to set the tone to create one.

Now that is the job to have! :lol:

I can and do agree with your suggestion. However, it seems the most emotional anti public school posters seem to have a major problem with Jefferson County Schools.

Must be making good points! :scared:

Have no issues with private schools at all.

There is a contingency in every school district and the state. There is no case history of this to happen. However, we can look to recent events in the Gulf region and see the federal programs were temporary changed and allowing funding to flow into teacher hiring, assets, etc. The construction part is probably insurance. That is the only realistic case to reference.

So, you really do not want a voucher program or not? Or is this simply a case of having your cake and eating it to? Which is it. So far you have argued to close the private schools to prove some "point", then you said to keep such schools open and let them have "vouchers", now you claim education would improve if private schools got "half" of the funds. To your last point, at least in NorKY the tuition charged by private schools is way more than half of what most of the public schools receive. More along the lines of 75% to 80% and that is without providing many programs. So are you now saying the private schools are currently overcharging? And if all the public schools quit how would the private schools build all these new classrooms and hire all these new teachers. Please, show us the way. :sssh:

Which has been accepted by the federal government, under Republican leadership, known as NCLB.

It was only a matter of time before the hidden agenda became clear! :ylsuper: Tell you what LSURock, you want vouchers, fine. As soon as the private receiving schools agree to accept ALL the parameters of operation the public schools must do, that is fine. That goes from NCLB to everything else. You do not have a clue what you are talking about.

There have been cases before and the construction logistics is a temporary matter. However, there is an entire industry that deals with classroom needs that are on demand. That is really the one big issue and it is not that big an issue. Teachers? Well, what about those already unemployed by the closing, plus there are many people looking to become teachers, as of now. For the sake of making the point clear and how this is not that fearful of an event, however unlikely. Please note: Take NorKY for instance. Total student population for public schools is just over 50,000 students in the three counties. The total population of private schools is just over 11,000. If such closing occured, it is a 23% gain to public school demand. That is very large but not overbearing. Keep in mind Boone County has been dealing with 5 to 10% every year. And, many of the schools have some capacity already in the building, not much but there is a fair number. But, as I said before in a prior post, this is very much a shallow issue and very much an empty threat. Certainly, not a case in point to make one's point in support for private schools.

Close the schools and let's find out. But, since that is so unrealistic it does not warrant debate it is actually silly. Does the comment "shallow threat" mean anything? Because that is exactly what this is and has no merit. But, if you find comfort in coming up with fantasy set of circumstances, go right ahead.

I am sincere in asking this question. I have no hidden agenda to spring upon anyone who responds. I genuinely want to understand how the issue of tuition at a private school is even worthy of consideration. See, I must have made a mistake. Took your comment of hidden agenda and made a bad assumption that may mean no foregone conclusions by your part. But, thanks for making it clear. And as to your multiple choice options you left quite a few off the table. So, just add one to it. Private schools have been suggestion their financial aid only covers "up to 50%" of the cost of tuition. OK, so if you had 100 students apply and had absolutely no ability to pay, would they get a waiver of the 50% or not. And if they would, then the 50% financial aid arguement is not valid. If they would not, then thank the Lord for public schools for many in our country and there, public schools is significantly better.

No, it is not meant as a negative but a point of position. Public schools are MANDATED to offer and accept the entire community. ANY private school can choose its rules and grounds for acceptance and operation. It is a "self serving" enterprise. Just like a public golf course vs. a private country club. That does not take away its value to those who participate in its programs or the many good works such performs. It is simply a parameter of difference between the two.

You fail to acknowledge the fact that public education is MANDATED by law and private education is created by self serving groups.

Fastbreak, your economic model is all wrong. You are making the wrong assumption the financing of public education is a static amount. The more students enrolled in a school the higher amount from the state. Also, you have growth financing that would kick in if the increase were to hit a certain amount. Also, federal money would be increased under a number of different options. I do not know of any public school district that is thankful not to have more students enroll in their schools vs. many private schools I know that cap and limit the amount of students they are able/willing to accept.

You are correct. But here is the macro risk we run as a society if we travel down this road: We will lose the one MAJOR and SIGNIFICANT world advantage we have in education and that is having the most and best educated population, by far, in the world. Those of us who value education understand the need for it. The real question comes from how to create the motivation for others who currently reject it, come to embrace it. Many public schools are trying to find the answer to this and I wish to add, not getting any credit for trying to do it.

Makes one wonder where the conservative leadership is in this state? Do you know in KY, it is found illegal to deny a driver's license if one is suspended or expelled or a problem issue in school? On one hand there is compulsory attendance yet no denial of one of the things that will get their attention. Anyone think driving a car, having a license is a "right". Well, in this state, it is. If we are to accept the premise to deal with the most problematic, then the state AND federal government will need to roll back NCLB. Do not hold any school accountable for test scores or responsibility for a student that has a clear discipline problem via multiple suspensions and/or an expulsions. Allow the school to record the problem issue and at a third strike you are out level, allow for that student's removal from the school with no consequence to the school. Having said all that and hearing the above suggestions, I have one question. What do you propose to do with the thousands of kids this will result in? In NorKY, this number would be somewhere between 800 to 1,200 kids. One entire school! Please do not suggest to educate in a separate area. The state will not and the community will not agree to pay for it.