Because your numbers are wrong. Go ahead post by post and point it out. I'll wait.

 

You are correct, my apologies to HHS fan's. It's only one.

A coach quit the staff. It wasn't because he was unhappy with a certain kid's playing time or the ineffectiveness of the passing game.

 

Because a coach quit doesn't mean he is on the correct side of the issue. Coach's leave staff's all the time because of differences in philosophy, which again doesn't mean that there is any wrong doing.

What a thread! First I would like to personally wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year! I see there is some concern about our program but if you talk to the former players, present players and future players you will see they are not very concerned. We run a very tough and disciplined program- which we feel is extremely effective. A lot of the players appreciate this and most importantly want this as part of our program. We as coaches do our very best to be role models and teach our young men life through football. It is tough to be a part of our program and there has been success but we are striving for more. We feel we have an excellent staff and administration that can take us to the level we and everyone else expects. We have a solid foundation for the future but we also feel our program needs an update. There have been two programs both within 8 miles that are very successful and have pulled some of our numbers. That is great because it gives more young men an opportunity to play this great game and they are both very good programs. Our coaching style has also pulled some numbers which is where we want to improve. This process has already taken place and is working. The open house is to allow more people the opportunity to see firsthand what we are trying to accomplish and buy into our program. The Union Raiders has been an amazing success and to be able to establish these relationships at such an earlier age has been awesome. We do understand the concerns and have always listened- this is how we get better. High school football is about adding to these young men's lives to take on life's challenges and we have accomplished this in many ways. We are looking for more. Please do not hesitate to contact me or anyone on our staff- we have always had an open door policy and some of you have some great ideas. BTW, ask any official out there in the competition with the players- they can tell you what kind of program any school has. We hope to see some of you at the open house- I will be there. lol! Let us all make it a great 2012!

 

Bryson, Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

 

I have no doubt that there lots of successes in Ryle football. None. Success is not really the issue.

 

We all have to step back and evaluate where we're at. Coaches are no different. You said so above - you understand the concerns which is outstanding.

 

Take this for what it's worth. As I tell everyone the next varsity game I win as a coach will be my first so....

 

The challenge for coaches who also excelled on the field is to realize that what made the coach successful as a player is not always the way to make players successful. Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson found this out when they tried to transition to coaching. They couldn't understand why every player didn't play with the desire they did and put in the physical and mental work they did.

 

I'd ask you to consider if your "tough disciplined" approach is the perfect approach. It worked for you without question. We saw it at Boone. We saw it at WKU. You surround yourself with like-minded people. However, can it be modified? Can it be tweaked? Can it be dialed down a bit and still achieve the toughness you're looking for? I fully realize it's probably difficult for you to fathom how players today (not all but many) are not as tough as you were for Coach Hauck. I get that. However, it's where you're at and what you have to deal with. It comes with being at Ryle. I think you can achieve that style of play while still making it a bit more enjoyable for all. You're losing players. Numbers don't lie. You have to ask why. I can tell you that your approach is part of the issue. Every coach has to look at the current situation and realize it's not 100% ideal for how they WISH it would be. You either adjust or drive yourself and everyone else crazy. I'd recommend the "adjust" approach.

 

Again, I say this as someone who likes tough football but realizes kids are not the same. Times are different. People are different. Expectations are different. If you want to stay in the game you adjust to the times and the people you are responsible for. If you cannot or think it goes against everything you believe in then you have to ask yourself what the best choice is for you. We all go through that.

 

Best wishes and , again, congrats on the 2011 success.

Because a coach quit doesn't mean he is on the correct side of the issue. Coach's leave staff's all the time because of differences in philosophy, which again doesn't mean that there is any wrong doing.

 

In general I agree.

 

I'm not talking in general.

In general I agree.

 

I'm not talking in general.

 

Neither am I and we are obviously hearing the opposite versions of the same story. I guess it is up to Coach Warner, Ryle's AD and administration to see who they side with.

Neither am I and we are obviously hearing the opposite versions of the same story. I guess it is up to Coach Warner, Ryle's AD and administration to see who they side with.

 

It's not a matter of "siding." It's matter of determining what, if anything, needs to be done.

It's not a matter of "siding." It's matter of determining what, if anything, needs to be done.

 

Agreed, probably a poor choice of words on my part.

See every football team at every school since the start of time. Parents are always unhappy.

 

Amen. No doubt there are always parents that will be unhappy no matter what school you are at.

Wow. 2000 views in 3 days. Regardless of whether there's anything "going on at Ryle," there certainly is a lot of interest in the topic.

Bryson, Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

 

I have no doubt that there lots of successes in Ryle football. None. Success is not really the issue.

 

We all have to step back and evaluate where we're at. Coaches are no different. You said so above - you understand the concerns which is outstanding.

 

Take this for what it's worth. As I tell everyone the next varsity game I win as a coach will be my first so....

 

The challenge for coaches who also excelled on the field is to realize that what made the coach successful as a player is not always the way to make players successful. Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson found this out when they tried to transition to coaching. They couldn't understand why every player didn't play with the desire they did and put in the physical and mental work they did.

 

I'd ask you to consider if your "tough disciplined" approach is the perfect approach. It worked for you without question. We saw it at Boone. We saw it at WKU. You surround yourself with like-minded people. However, can it be modified? Can it be tweaked? Can it be dialed down a bit and still achieve the toughness you're looking for? I fully realize it's probably difficult for you to fathom how players today (not all but many) are not as tough as you were for Coach Hauck. I get that. However, it's where you're at and what you have to deal with. It comes with being at Ryle. I think you can achieve that style of play while still making it a bit more enjoyable for all. You're losing players. Numbers don't lie. You have to ask why. I can tell you that your approach is part of the issue. Every coach has to look at the current situation and realize it's not 100% ideal for how they WISH it would be. You either adjust or drive yourself and everyone else crazy. I'd recommend the "adjust" approach.

 

Again, I say this as someone who likes tough football but realizes kids are not the same. Times are different. People are different. Expectations are different. If you want to stay in the game you adjust to the times and the people you are responsible for. If you cannot or think it goes against everything you believe in then you have to ask yourself what the best choice is for you. We all go through that.

 

Best wishes and , again, congrats on the 2011 success.

 

Here lies a problem today. When I played football, I was always told that out of all the sports it was the one that related to real life the most. In real life, people are mean, people have to learn to fend for themselves. Life is going to knock you down every single day and it is up to you to make a choice. You can either stay on the ground and feel sorry for yourself or you can pick yourself up, work harder, and beat the guy across from you. Unfortunatley living in the Mr. Rogers era that we do, a lot of children are raised to think that everything should be given to them. Kids aren't allowed to fail in school anymore because it can hurt self-esteem. Kids can't get disciplined by teachers if they are disrupting class because parents will go to the board and complain. I have read a couple of Lou Holtz books and the one quote he said that really stuck out to me was somewhere along the times people have learned to feel entitled to everything without working for it. So true of life today. Kids show up and expect to get playing time but don't put the work in at practice. Crazy! Then you have parents complain because they see Jimmy isn't playing but they don't see that he isn't working hard, or taking time to understand his position better. In the real world if your boss asks you to put together a project and you don't do you really think you're still going to have a job? When these kids get to college and the professor wants a 5 page paper and the student decides to not finish or turn in the paper is the professor going to give an extension because mommy and daddy asked for it? No. They don't care.

 

I know I may have rambled a little or a lot and I'm not saying that what you are saying isn't right. What I am saying though is what kind of example would a coach be setting if they weren't asking the athletes to give their best effort all the time? Kids are going to quit. That's part of sports. If it were easy there would be 200 people on the team. Hard work and dedication makes you a stronger individual. When parents ask to have coaches lighten it up, it kills me. Kids are not being prepared for real life anymore and it's a shame. It's also the reason our country is declining compared to other countries in the world. They work harder so they get more perks.

Here lies a problem today. When I played football, I was always told that out of all the sports it was the one that related to real life the most. In real life, people are mean, people have to learn to fend for themselves. Life is going to knock you down every single day and it is up to you to make a choice. You can either stay on the ground and feel sorry for yourself or you can pick yourself up, work harder, and beat the guy across from you. Unfortunatley living in the Mr. Rogers era that we do, a lot of children are raised to think that everything should be given to them. Kids aren't allowed to fail in school anymore because it can hurt self-esteem. Kids can't get disciplined by teachers if they are disrupting class because parents will go to the board and complain. I have read a couple of Lou Holtz books and the one quote he said that really stuck out to me was somewhere along the times people have learned to feel entitled to everything without working for it. So true of life today. Kids show up and expect to get playing time but don't put the work in at practice. Crazy! Then you have parents complain because they see Jimmy isn't playing but they don't see that he isn't working hard, or taking time to understand his position better. In the real world if your boss asks you to put together a project and you don't do you really think you're still going to have a job? When these kids get to college and the professor wants a 5 page paper and the student decides to not finish or turn in the paper is the professor going to give an extension because mommy and daddy asked for it? No. They don't care.

 

I know I may have rambled a little or a lot and I'm not saying that what you are saying isn't right. What I am saying though is what kind of example would a coach be setting if they weren't asking the athletes to give their best effort all the time? Kids are going to quit. That's part of sports. If it were easy there would be 200 people on the team. Hard work and dedication makes you a stronger individual. When parents ask to have coaches lighten it up, it kills me. Kids are not being prepared for real life anymore and it's a shame. It's also the reason our country is declining compared to other countries in the world. They work harder so they get more perks.

 

For the record, I am not a parent of any high school player nor am I in any way associated with Ryle.

 

Regardless if you are 100% right in your beliefs as to the "why" or 100% incorrect it's where all high school coaches are at today.

 

You can either continue the "in my day we ...." way or you can adapt and figure out how to get what you want in a way that works.

For the record, I am not a parent of any high school player nor am I in any way associated with Ryle.

 

Regardless if you are 100% right in your beliefs as to the "why" or 100% incorrect it's where all high school coaches are at today.

 

You can either continue the "in my day we ...." way or you can adapt and figure out how to get what you want in a way that works.

 

I realize you're not a parent and you were just asking a question. I just went on a little venting session. You are right though, times have defintely changed. It doesn't always mean for the better though.

I know I may have rambled a little or a lot and I'm not saying that what you are saying isn't right. What I am saying though is what kind of example would a coach be setting if they weren't asking the athletes to give their best effort all the time? Kids are going to quit. That's part of sports. If it were easy there would be 200 people on the team. Hard work and dedication makes you a stronger individual. When parents ask to have coaches lighten it up, it kills me. Kids are not being prepared for real life anymore and it's a shame. It's also the reason our country is declining compared to other countries in the world. They work harder so they get more perks.

 

I have no comment on any alleged "going ons" at Ryle because all the rumors I hear are second and third-hand at best. Now two seasons removed from my son playing there, we had nothing but a great experience with the football program and terrific memories. I'm proud he played at Ryle and was thrilled with the coaching he received. I still miss seeing him out on the field. One day I suppose I'll get over it.

 

The only comment I will make is that I have a lot of respect for straightshooter. Not saying there are problems just because he says so, but he is indeed a guy worth listening to.

 

With respect to the comments above, I don't think Clyde was implying in the slightest that Ryle's coaches ask for less than the best effort from their players. But that is not to say that the very toughest approach you can find automatically equates to the "'best." You can be less physically-demanding on kids and still require their best effort, hard work, and dedication. You can always find a way to have an even "tougher", more demanding coaching style, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's better. There are limitations. If you normally do 20 gassers at the end of a practice, does bumping it up to 30 mean it's a better or smarter coaching style? Does it mean your kids aren't giving their best or putting in hard work if they only do 20 gassers? There are indeed more ways than one to skin a cat.

 

That all being said, I am not applying those comments directly to Ryle and Coach Warner. I truly don't know the situation. It would be hard to disagree that he has not had some nice success at Ryle and elevated the program overall. I guess the question is whether some changes can be made - if it's even deemed necessary - to even further enhance those successes.

Bryson, Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

 

I have no doubt that there lots of successes in Ryle football. None. Success is not really the issue.

 

We all have to step back and evaluate where we're at. Coaches are no different. You said so above - you understand the concerns which is outstanding.

 

Take this for what it's worth. As I tell everyone the next varsity game I win as a coach will be my first so....

 

The challenge for coaches who also excelled on the field is to realize that what made the coach successful as a player is not always the way to make players successful. Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson found this out when they tried to transition to coaching. They couldn't understand why every player didn't play with the desire they did and put in the physical and mental work they did.

 

I'd ask you to consider if your "tough disciplined" approach is the perfect approach. It worked for you without question. We saw it at Boone. We saw it at WKU. You surround yourself with like-minded people. However, can it be modified? Can it be tweaked? Can it be dialed down a bit and still achieve the toughness you're looking for? I fully realize it's probably difficult for you to fathom how players today (not all but many) are not as tough as you were for Coach Hauck. I get that. However, it's where you're at and what you have to deal with. It comes with being at Ryle. I think you can achieve that style of play while still making it a bit more enjoyable for all. You're losing players. Numbers don't lie. You have to ask why. I can tell you that your approach is part of the issue. Every coach has to look at the current situation and realize it's not 100% ideal for how they WISH it would be. You either adjust or drive yourself and everyone else crazy. I'd recommend the "adjust" approach.

 

Again, I say this as someone who likes tough football but realizes kids are not the same. Times are different. People are different. Expectations are different. If you want to stay in the game you adjust to the times and the people you are responsible for. If you cannot or think it goes against everything you believe in then you have to ask yourself what the best choice is for you. We all go through that.

 

Best wishes and , again, congrats on the 2011 success.

 

:thumb: Agreed on all points. 100% on target.

I have no comment on any alleged "going ons" at Ryle because all the rumors I hear are second and third-hand at best. Now two seasons removed from my son playing there, we had nothing but a great experience with the football program and terrific memories. I'm proud he played at Ryle and was thrilled with the coaching he received. I still miss seeing him out on the field. One day I suppose I'll get over it.

 

The only comment I will make is that I have a lot of respect for straightshooter. Not saying there are problems just because he says so, but he is indeed a guy worth listening to.

 

With respect to the comments above, I don't think Clyde was implying in the slightest that Ryle's coaches ask for less than the best effort from their players. But that is not to say that the very toughest approach you can find automatically equates to the "'best." You can be less physically-demanding on kids and still require their best effort, hard work, and dedication. You can always find a way to have an even "tougher", more demanding coaching style, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's better. There are limitations. If you normally do 20 gassers at the end of a practice, does bumping it up to 30 mean it's a better or smarter coaching style? Does it mean your kids aren't giving their best or putting in hard work if they only do 20 gassers? There are indeed more ways than one to skin a cat.

 

That all being said, I am not applying those comments directly to Ryle and Coach Warner. I truly don't know the situation. It would be hard to disagree that he has not had some nice success at Ryle and elevated the program overall. I guess the question is whether some changes can be made - if it's even deemed necessary - to even further enhance those successes.

 

Oh I completely agree with what you said and I was not putting down anything Clyde said. I was simply stating that in todays world, kids don't want to work as hard and it's just the way that things are now. Kids are fine playing madden and staying inside rather than actually playing football. I definitely agree with what I bolded. What I am trying to say though is that when you come in everyday and do let's say 15 gassers and you have done that everyday for 2 months, the kids know what is expected, yet you can still have parents complain about it being too tough. Football is a tough, physcial sport and it takes tough, physical kids to play the sport. It's like I said earlier, if it were easy you'd have 200 kids on a team. Now I know there are a lot of parents out there who never say a word so I don't want to make it look like I am saying this about every parent. It's just at every school there are parents who think that their child is entitled to everything without doing anything and that simply is not the case.

 

Really not disagreeing with anyone, just pointing out some things that I think for the most part anyone who follows sports know.