Of course I see the distinction in that, but that's in no way, shape, or form the context it's used in the Bible, which is the discussion at hand.

 

It absolutly is the context. God is saying it is a sin to murder. However, there are justified killings. Such as war, capital punishment, self defense.

 

You have listed many examples of what you consider to be contradictions in the Bible. However, none of them are concerning homosexuality. Can you give us an example where you feel the Bible contradicts itself on homosexuality?

^Please tell me where God says it's our place to judge who lives and who dies. I can't seem to recall that part of the Bible. :idunno:

 

So let's hear your justification for the "eye for an eye" bit and the "turn the other cheek" bit.

^Please tell me where God says it's our place to judge who lives and who dies. I can't seem to recall that part of the Bible. :idunno:

 

So let's hear your justification for the "eye for an eye" bit and the "turn the other cheek" bit.

 

The thread title is Christian and Gay. You go first, tell me where the Bible contradicts itself on homosexuality.

What are you even talking about now? When did I ever say the Bible contradicts itself on homosexuality? You must be reading a different thread than I am.

What are you even talking about now? When did I ever say the Bible contradicts itself on homosexuality? You must be reading a different thread than I am.

 

And I never said you did. The title of the thread is Gay and Christian. The Bible has a very clear stance on homosexuality. My question to you or anyone else is does it condtradict itself on this subject. Feel free to call Martin Sheen if you need help.

^So pretty much, you have no answer to my question, so you're trying to change the subject back to the thread topic. Gotcha.

 

Honestly, I don't care if the Bible does or doesn't contradict itself on homosexuality. It isn't going to change my opinion on the subject, and it isn't going to change the fact that the Bible contradicts itself on numerous other topics.

I found this on a blog on Yahoo answers, not sure how to site it, but it is very interesting.

 

Jesus says to "judge not" and so for Christians, we cannot judge what anyone else does with their lives.

But allow me to expound on what the Bible does say about homosexuality and why the HEbrews dreaded it so much.

The land of Israel was constantly being occupied by other societies and this made it very difficult for the Hebrew people to maintain their own way of life, their own religion and their own societal ways. And so remember that they believed themselves to be God's own race and the chosen people.

Now what could be worse than to have their own young people, on whom their future hopes are laid as a nation and as a people, influenced by other cultures that occupy their land?

 

Young Hebrew men were attracted to the Greeks and their forms of recreation and their value systems. Greeks encouraged homosexual experimentation among young men because adolescent guys are ALL sexually preoccupied and the Greeks wanted to keep their young daughters off limits to the adolescents. And so, homosexuality was common and accepted, especially as experimentation among adolescent boys.

Hebrew boys were expected to take a wife when they became sexually preoccupied and they were taught to avoid "spilling" their seed through masturbation. The happy adolescent couple was supposed to live with their parents and were not expected to be self sufficient, unlike the Greeks.

 

We know through the work of Dr. Simon LeVay of the Salk Institute that homosexual human beings are made that way by God himself. Through the many autopsies that Dr. LeVay performed, we know the physical differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals. They are made differently at birth by their creator. And so, we know that homosexuality is not a sin.

However, to the ancient Hebrews, it was because it took their young men away from procreation of God's race.

I hope this clears it up.

 

Never heard of Simon LeVay, but am going to look it up.

From the same blog

 

I believe a good arguement can be made that whats important is only the cross and that everything else stems from it and what it represents. I also believe that the Bible's defintion of sin has to do completely with the verse, Love your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your spirit. And love your neighbors as your self. These are the two commandments in which the law holds (ruff remembering of that verse).

 

I also believe that the Bible has built in it a way for the church to adapt (acts) and that the church was never meant to so strictly adhere to the Bible that it may contradict the core of the message stated in the love verse referred to in the last paragraph.

 

Inerrant Biblical Theologians often state a verse I believe in either Timothy or Peter stating the inerrancy of the Bible. Yet they forget that the Greek really suggests absolutely NO mechanical dictation i.e. God spoke the Bible word for word as everything needs to be applied as exact as it was stated, this would be what inerrant theologians believe. Rather the Greek suggests only that the holy spirit was in the Authors when they were writing the Bible.

 

In fact, if homosexuality can be proven to be normal, or at least suggested to be normal, then it would contradict directly the romans verse (so they exchanged natural relationships with the unnatural).... Notice how the primary crime in this though was that they did not love God, so God gave them up to their sinful desires. Also because of Peter's dream (do not call unclean what I have made clean), a reasonable arguement can be made that God is able to change things and alter things so that all things go in accordance to his will ya know?

 

When judging Christianity, focus on the core of what the Christian message is. The cross.

 

here is the link http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110205205214AASxSQf

 

I am not saying I agree with either of these folks but certainly succinct.

^So pretty much, you have no answer to my question, so you're trying to change the subject back to the thread topic. Gotcha.

 

Honestly, I don't care if the Bible does or doesn't contradict itself on homosexuality. It isn't going to change my opinion on the subject, and it isn't going to change the fact that the Bible contradicts itself on numerous other topics.

 

So if it supports your agenda your good with it. If you get a rational explaination you just start a new tangent. At least we understand where you are coming from.

So just so I understand, there is a gene that makes a man have sex with another man, am I correct?

So just so I understand, there is a gene that makes a man have sex with another man, am I correct?

I have no idea if is a gene or what it is called. But I definitely believe people are born gay. There is little to no doubt in my mind. Sure there are some who do it for attention or other reasons, but most I feel are born that way. As I have said, you can often times tell at a very young age from mannerisms.

 

With that said, genetically speaking males and females were anatomically created to reproduce with the opposite sex, and not one another. That is obvious. But through human evolution or whatever you want to call it, many do not have the natural attraction to the opposite sex.

So just so I understand, there is a gene that makes a man have sex with another man, am I correct?

 

No, there is not one that has been identified at this point.

No, there is not one that has been identified at this point.

Is there a gene between a man and a woman? Not asking to be rude, genuinely have no idea?

So if it supports your agenda your good with it. If you get a rational explaination you just start a new tangent. At least we understand where you are coming from.

 

I really have no clue what you're talking about.

 

Someone else mentioned the Bible contradicting itself, I agreed with their premise. I never once have implied that it contradicts itself on the topic of homosexuality. I don't really care what it says on the topic. I don't form my beliefs based on what the Bible says or doesn't say. Fastbreak asked me for examples of where I felt the Bible contradicted itself, and I listed them. Why in the world you're trying to tie a completely different discussion into one about homosexuality is beyond me. I assume you have your reasons, but I can't grasp them.

I found this on a blog on Yahoo answers, not sure how to site it, but it is very interesting.

 

Jesus says to "judge not" and so for Christians, we cannot judge what anyone else does with their lives.

But allow me to expound on what the Bible does say about homosexuality and why the HEbrews dreaded it so much.

The land of Israel was constantly being occupied by other societies and this made it very difficult for the Hebrew people to maintain their own way of life, their own religion and their own societal ways. And so remember that they believed themselves to be God's own race and the chosen people.

Now what could be worse than to have their own young people, on whom their future hopes are laid as a nation and as a people, influenced by other cultures that occupy their land?

 

Young Hebrew men were attracted to the Greeks and their forms of recreation and their value systems. Greeks encouraged homosexual experimentation among young men because adolescent guys are ALL sexually preoccupied and the Greeks wanted to keep their young daughters off limits to the adolescents. And so, homosexuality was common and accepted, especially as experimentation among adolescent boys.

Hebrew boys were expected to take a wife when they became sexually preoccupied and they were taught to avoid "spilling" their seed through masturbation. The happy adolescent couple was supposed to live with their parents and were not expected to be self sufficient, unlike the Greeks.

 

We know through the work of Dr. Simon LeVay of the Salk Institute that homosexual human beings are made that way by God himself. Through the many autopsies that Dr. LeVay performed, we know the physical differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals. They are made differently at birth by their creator. And so, we know that homosexuality is not a sin.

However, to the ancient Hebrews, it was because it took their young men away from procreation of God's race.

I hope this clears it up.

 

Never heard of Simon LeVay, but am going to look it up.

 

From the same blog

 

I believe a good arguement can be made that whats important is only the cross and that everything else stems from it and what it represents. I also believe that the Bible's defintion of sin has to do completely with the verse, Love your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your spirit. And love your neighbors as your self. These are the two commandments in which the law holds (ruff remembering of that verse).

 

I also believe that the Bible has built in it a way for the church to adapt (acts) and that the church was never meant to so strictly adhere to the Bible that it may contradict the core of the message stated in the love verse referred to in the last paragraph.

 

Inerrant Biblical Theologians often state a verse I believe in either Timothy or Peter stating the inerrancy of the Bible. Yet they forget that the Greek really suggests absolutely NO mechanical dictation i.e. God spoke the Bible word for word as everything needs to be applied as exact as it was stated, this would be what inerrant theologians believe. Rather the Greek suggests only that the holy spirit was in the Authors when they were writing the Bible.

 

In fact, if homosexuality can be proven to be normal, or at least suggested to be normal, then it would contradict directly the romans verse (so they exchanged natural relationships with the unnatural).... Notice how the primary crime in this though was that they did not love God, so God gave them up to their sinful desires. Also because of Peter's dream (do not call unclean what I have made clean), a reasonable arguement can be made that God is able to change things and alter things so that all things go in accordance to his will ya know?

 

When judging Christianity, focus on the core of what the Christian message is. The cross.

 

here is the link http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110205205214AASxSQf

 

I am not saying I agree with either of these folks but certainly succinct.

Interesting.