That's true, but the players abilities should dictate the system a coach runs. For example, if Hoskins has such a great arm and good recievers such as Farr, shouldn't he be throwing more. Alot of kids abilities are overlooked because of the same system run every year. A good coach will adjust his game to his players. In certain situations, it's called "flexible".As a moderator, you should enjoy other people's opinions instead of The question I answered included stats. Other people have good players besides Middlesboro/Bell.

 

We arent discussing the college or pro game! IMO highschool football systems should stay continuous.... you dont have enough time to change your system everytime a few great players come around! Not to mention the fact that most hs players dont have the time or football intelligence to learn a new system every few years! This is why you taylor your kids to your system by bringing them up through grade school and middle school ball running a similiar, if not the same, system as you do at the hs level! A little flexability is good, and the great teams do tinker and tanker with their play calling (Bell last season comes to mind when they had Nelson and Buckeye Hunter, they changed it up a little at times allowing Nelson and Hunter to pass and catch for around 300 yards, very un Bell like).... however the great HS teams dont change there system to fit the kids! The great HS teams bring their kids up to run their system!

 

Example - Breathitt is an example of a passing team that does this

Bell is and example of a running team that does this

We arent discussing the college or pro game! IMO highschool football systems should stay continuous.... you dont have enough time to change your system everytime a few great players come around! Not to mention the fact that most hs players dont have the time or football intelligence to learn a new system every few years! This is why you taylor your kids to your system by bringing them up through grade school and middle school ball running a similiar, if not the same, system as you do at the hs level! A little flexability is good, and the great teams do tinker and tanker with their play calling (Bell last season comes to mind when they had Nelson and Buckeye Hunter, they changed it up a little at times allowing Nelson and Hunter to pass and catch for around 300 yards, very un Bell like).... however the great HS teams dont change there system to fit the kids! The great HS teams bring their kids up to run their system!

 

Example - Breathitt is an example of a passing team that does this

Bell is and example of a running team that does this

I see your point but I think some coaches can adjust more easily than others these days. Especially younger ones. A good judge of young talent can prepare his program for the influx of the talent coming alot easier than some of the older coaches and be ready. Seems like older coaches just look at whats on hand that year and hope they will adjust to system. You see Rock had to adjust because of their QB's throwing ability.

How many kids have not gotten scolly's because of coaches scared of change. The mark of a great coach can and will adapt accordingly to their teams talent. "Willingness to be Complete".

Didn't Breathitt run some sort of option this year because of talent. I think so!

We've had great QB's and WR's in the past and we didn't change our style of offense for them.

 

I would have loved to seen Blake Bowling or Jeremy Skidmore throw the football 30 to 40 times a game and put up HUGE stats on little drop off passes to the RB's and WR's but just because they don't doesn't make them any less of a high school QB.

 

No one player is bigger than the system ,We have always been a running team and we always will.

Your defination of greatness is different than mine. :sssh:

I see your point but I think some coaches can adjust more easily than others these days. Especially younger ones. A good judge of young talent can prepare his program for the influx of the talent coming alot easier than some of the older coaches and be ready. Seems like older coaches just look at whats on hand that year and hope they will adjust to system. You see Rock had to adjust because of their QB's throwing ability.

How many kids have not gotten scolly's because of coaches scared of change. The mark of a great coach can and will adapt accordingly to their teams talent. "Willingness to be Complete".

Didn't Breathitt run some sort of option this year because of talent. I think so!

 

 

i agree slighty..... adaptation to talent is important.... but continuity is more important.....breathitt did do what you said.... but it was a slight tinker on their passing system that remained strong this season, and will remain strong from now on!

Your defination of greatness is different than mine. :sssh:

 

greatness to me isnt stats or raw ability.... its leading your team to a winning season, and not just a winning season, but leading your team to the top, a state championship!!!! Right now..... the only QB in the mountains to do that recently is Haddix! Just a thought!

Have you seen Cashen throw the ball! True... he has put up tremendous HS stats... but he is not a Top QB in 06! Most of his stats are due to 2 things:

1.) WR Blackwood who is legit

2.) Weak competition.... look at how he has played against the best and it isnt very good!

 

IMO Cashen is highly overrated due to his passing stats! Another weakness I see in his game: he is a decent runner, but he isnt gonna beat you with his legs! This is what makes Nelson so dangerous!

 

As far as Clay's Lewis goes, read my pm!

 

Cashen's mobility is the one downfall but I can honestly say that I've not seen a better pure passer than him since Couch in the mountains. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is in Couch's league but since then, there have been some fine QB's around here. Cashen's arm and accuracy are above and beyond any I've seen since then. I've seen him make throws that you don't even see on Saturday afternoons. I know I'm sounding like a Corbin homer with his red tinted glasses on but I'm not trying to build him up more than what he does to build himself up on Friday nights. Clint is truly a gem and Corbin and SE KY is lucky to have someone like him.

 

It is also true that Clint didn't play tough competition but that was only in district play. In fact his best games were against E'Town, Owensboro Catholic, Rock, DeSales, Middlesboro, and Lexington Christian. 3 of those were in his freshman season and the Rock was his first ever game. People left the games against OCath and E Town wondering if the Freshman QB wasn't the best on the field playing against two current D1 QB's including Tony Franklin and OC's coach himself.

 

Also, no doubt on Blackwood because he was great but Clint made people great too. Ryan Tate, Rob Madon, Isaac Mills, Blackwood, and others all recievers that gave their trust to Clint. Sure there were times where he simply dumped it off and they made plays for big YAC but more often they just ran their routes and Clint laid it right on the money, whether it was 10 yards downfield or 50.

 

I'm not criticizing your opinion in the least bit. In fact you brought up some good points that are somewhat valid and I respect your opinion. I just figured that I would shed a little light on some misconceptions from a Corbin fan who has watched Cashen every game in his short High School career.

Highlands has a good one in the wings...Jay "Sparky" Draper can sling it with the best of 'em. Great mechanics, strong accurate arm, solid decision making. With an experienced O-line coming back and a bevy of running backs, Dale could put up big nimbers with Draper leading a diverse offensive package.

Cashen's mobility is the one downfall but I can honestly say that I've not seen a better pure passer than him since Couch in the mountains. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is in Couch's league but since then, there have been some fine QB's around here. Cashen's arm and accuracy are above and beyond any I've seen since then. I've seen him make throws that you don't even see on Saturday afternoons. I know I'm sounding like a Corbin homer with his red tinted glasses on but I'm not trying to build him up more than what he does to build himself up on Friday nights. Clint is truly a gem and Corbin and SE KY is lucky to have someone like him.

 

It is also true that Clint didn't play tough competition but that was only in district play. In fact his best games were against E'Town, Owensboro Catholic, Rock, DeSales, Middlesboro, and Lexington Christian. 3 of those were in his freshman season and the Rock was his first ever game. People left the games against OCath and E Town wondering if the Freshman QB wasn't the best on the field playing against two current D1 QB's including Tony Franklin and OC's coach himself.

 

Also, no doubt on Blackwood because he was great but Clint made people great too. Ryan Tate, Rob Madon, Isaac Mills, Blackwood, and others all :thumb: recievers that gave their trust to Clint. Sure there were times where he simply dumped it off and they made plays for big YAC but more often they just ran their routes and Clint laid it right on the money, whether it was 10 yards downfield or 50.

 

I'm not criticizing your opinion in the least bit. In fact you brought up some good points that are somewhat valid and I respect your opinion. I just figured that I would shed a little light on some misconceptions from a Corbin fan who has watched Cashen every game in his short High School career.

 

 

:thumb: I dont think Id go as far as you did about Cashen, but I see your point!

SPORTSFORLIFE....you want to talk stats.... did a little research.... Lewis may have thrown for a million yards..... but only 14 TDs in 11 games.... thats an average of 1 1/3 TD passes a game!

 

Nelson threw for twice as many TD's in Bells run oriented offense against stiffer competition!

 

There's a stat for ya! :thumb:

Have you seen Cashen throw the ball! True... he has put up tremendous HS stats... but he is not a Top QB in 06! Most of his stats are due to 2 things:

1.) WR Blackwood who is legit

2.) Weak competition.... look at how he has played against the best and it isnt very good!

 

IMO Cashen is highly overrated due to his passing stats! Another weakness I see in his game: he is a decent runner, but he isnt gonna beat you with his legs! This is what makes Nelson so dangerous!

 

As far as Clay's Lewis goes, read my pm!

 

Who have you seen Cashen play against? If you are using the Bell Co. games as the measuring stick, then you must consider the fact that Corbin was far from full strength the last two years when they played Bell Co. and that he has played extremely well against much better pass defenses than Bell's in games that meant much more.

Jefferson from Holmes

Jefferson is smart and quick, but I'm not sure he has the arm it takes to make him a top QB in 2006. He also could use better pass blocking and receivers. A lot of times, its not how good are you, but how good are the other people around you.

SPORTSFORLIFE....you want to talk stats.... did a little research.... Lewis may have thrown for a million yards..... but only 14 TDs in 11 games.... thats an average of 1 1/3 TD passes a game!

 

Nelson threw for twice as many TD's in Bells run oriented offense against stiffer competition!

 

There's a stat for ya! :thumb:

You have trouble with your research don't you. Look on KHSAA website, had more than 14 in regular season alone, not counting playoffs. You looked and looked to find one stat and then you got that wrong. Look, you have your opinions and most people have their's. Evidently, a pm doesn't mean anything to you or you would have seen that I said alot more football has to be played before decision is made. Stats, while heavily one-sided in this instance is just a discussion point for fans at this time.

Not saying Nelson isn't a good player (if he starts QB for Bell he probably is) but I just haven't heard his named mentioned as much as some of the others.

Let's end this discussion, please, by just saying there are alot of good QB's in this part of state to keep an eye on in upcoming years. I hope for success for all of them unless they are playing against us. :laugh:

ukbell14--with your research methods, PLEASE don't quit your day job!! j/k

Who have you seen Cashen play against? If you are using the Bell Co. games as the measuring stick, then you must consider the fact that Corbin was far from full strength the last two years when they played Bell Co. and that he has played extremely well against much better pass defenses than Bell's in games that meant much more.

 

Im not using the Bell game alone, but several of his district games! However, I dont think the fact that Corbin isnt full strength has anything to do with Cashen's individual ability. I think Cashen is a good QB, just not one of the tops! But he is a solid player, no arguing that. I just think his immobility hurts him.... and his throwing ability is not near comparable to Couch as another poster said.

You have trouble with your research don't you. Look on KHSAA website, had more than 14 in regular season alone, not counting playoffs. You looked and looked to find one stat and then you got that wrong. Look, you have your opinions and most people have their's. Evidently, a pm doesn't mean anything to you or you would have seen that I said alot more football has to be played before decision is made. Stats, while heavily one-sided in this instance is just a discussion point for fans at this time.

Not saying Nelson isn't a good player (if he starts QB for Bell he probably is) but I just haven't heard his named mentioned as much as some of the others.

Let's end this discussion, please, by just saying there are alot of good QB's in this part of state to keep an eye on in upcoming years. I hope for success for all of them unless they are playing against us. :laugh:

ukbell14--with your research methods, PLEASE don't quit your day job!! j/k

 

Primarily because he doesnt have the passsing stats that most great QB's have!

 

On the stats per KHSAA website:

 

Clay's Lewis = 16 TD's (I was off 2, as was my source) compared to 26 ints! 55% completion. This is including the playoffs (which only included a loss to Ashland... not sure if he had any TD's against Ashland but I wouldnt count them anyways considering it would have came against Ashlands 2nd or 3rd team) :sssh:

 

Bell's Nelson = 13 TD's compared to only 6 ints. 59% completion percentage! This is including the playoffs which featured Nelson against much stiffer competition! :sssh:

 

Lewis is good... but most of his passes are completions to the back out the backfield, or little dink passes on out routes or hitch routes. Any average QB can complete a million of these type passes, rack up yardage, and then look good! However, look a little deeper at the stats and you get the real picture!

 

I think I should be a research analyst for my day job! :thumb:

 

Bell's Nelson = 13 TD's compared to only 6 ints. 59% completion percentage! This is including the playoffs which featured Nelson against much stiffer competition! :sssh:

 

What were his stats against Rockcastle Co. and Madison Southern in the playoffs?

Until Bell comes up with a better passing system(it appeared last year that they just mainly threw it up hoping their receivers could come up with it), I just can't see Nelson developing as a passing QB. He is not really allowed to make reads and they rarely run timing type patterns except for the post pattern. There is a lot more to being a really good QB than just running or throwing.