Did they say what ligaments? Feel bad for the kid but luckily he's got close to a year to fully recover and hopefully get back to 100%

 

What size would you all say Davis is; CF? If he's not a big guy this will be a perfect opportunity for him to put on some size. He can really hit the weights hard for the next 9-10 months.

5'10", 170 lbs. Closer to 190 after this past offseason.

 

-CF

I was wrong in the game thread. Obviously waaaaaay more involved than just the knee cap dislocation. Wishing him a full recovery.

I understand, I tore my medial meniscus in high school, and had it repaired. But, without the meniscus you have bone moving on bone and that will lead to an early knee replacement.

 

Yup just waiting for it to happen, it's coming, at times I'll be walking and all of the sudden it feels like my knee cap is gone and my femur is digging it's way into the ole fibula. I just don't understand why the pain is so random. Run a few miles and it's fine, walk 20 feet and it's shooting pain, makes little sense.

5'10", 170 lbs. Closer to 190 after this past offseason.

 

-CF

 

Nice, good size for a HS guy, after he get's done with all of this knee stuff and crutches for a few months he should have a mean stiff arm to add to his repetoire....

Speaking as a doctor and as a former football player who had an injury with almost the exact problem, I think I may be able to clear up some of the issues. While tearing the meniscus (cartilage) in the kneee is painful and can lead to early knee degeneration is not as severe as ligamentous tearing. IF there was a complete tear (grade 3) of all 3 ligaments, he is looking at a cadaver transplant or use of his own tendons to repair the ligament. Either way, there is now a weaker and more suspect joint and IF he were to have another knee injury he will have a far worse recovery and will have much more issues later in life. I feel for this young man and hope that today's technology will allow a full recovery and he gets to decide his football future and not one of us "white coats".

 

Wish my doc would have been that forthecoming 10 years ago, I guess he just didn't want to have to prescribe me antidepresents as well. :lol:

Ligaments do not heal on their own.

Ligaments do not heal on their own.

 

So an LCL or MCL injury should always require surgery?

Ligaments do not heal on their own.

 

Actually, I believe the MCL can regenerate itself from a partial tear as there is blow flow to this ligament. Apparently, that is the key - whether or not there is blood flow to a particular area. The ACL receives no such blood and therefore can repair itself and always requires surgical correction. Is this right, sidelinedoc?

Tears are graded. I,II,III. Easy enough to look up on this internet that Al Gore invented. MCL is the mildest for the reasons coop stated. ACL does have regenerative ability if the grade is mild. ACL tears usually are accompanied by swelling because of the bleeding of the ligamentous tissues involved. I like when you hear folks describe the injury as a stretch. Just not so. PCL is the worst of the ligaments to have an injury due to it's position and support necessity if you ask some othopods.

Tears are graded. I,II,III. Easy enough to look up on this internet that Al Gore invented. MCL is the mildest for the reasons coop stated. ACL does have regenerative ability if the grade is mild. ACL tears usually are accompanied by swelling because of the bleeding of the ligamentous tissues involved. I like when you hear folks describe the injury as a stretch. Just not so. PCL is the worst of the ligaments to have an injury due to it's position and support necessity if you ask some othopods.

 

PCL always sounded nasty, not sure I've ever met someone that's torn it. It's kinda of strange/concerning how frequent ACL injureries are these days.

It really is amazing to hear about the high number of ACL injuries these days, especially in young kids. I played a lot of competitive sports in the late 70's and early-to-mid 80's and am not sure I recall any of my teammates incurring this injury. I'm sure they did and either I do not recall (likely) or it simply was not diagnosed as such, but I feel completely confident in saying the number of these injuries has increased several thousand-fold over the past 25 years. Are these injuries just being diagnosed more accurately or are athletes doing these differently these days that are causing the increase?

It really is amazing to hear about the high number of ACL injuries these days, especially in young kids. I played a lot of competitive sports in the late 70's and early-to-mid 80's and am not sure I recall any of my teammates incurring this injury. I'm sure they did and either I do not recall (likely) or it simply was not diagnosed as such, but I feel completely confident in saying the number of these injuries has increased several thousand-fold over the past 25 years. Are these injuries just being diagnosed more accurately or are athletes doing these differently these days that are causing the increase?

 

I've read alot of different theories but don't know which is more accurate, such as the increased size and speed of athletes leads to increased severity of injuries. Heard theories that some of it has to do with technique in lifting/agilities etc, that essentially in some cases kids put on muscle and gain speed so fast that allows them to cut and accelerate at high speeds but the ligaments and tendons don't adapt or adjust quick enough to support what the muscles are doing. I dunno, all I know is what I've read, I'm sure sidelinedoc or spindoc have seen enough of it to have formed their own hypothesis/opinion on the subject?

PCL always sounded nasty, not sure I've ever met someone that's torn it. It's kinda of strange/concerning how frequent ACL injureries are these days.

I had one. Had great surgeons, 1985. It's now better than my non surgically altered knee.

I have a theory. Mine is that we wear these kids out these days. Train them like their NFLers at the age of 13. Just not alot of down time. Their bodies are simply pushed to the limit. While some of you who are my age can recall, we trained, but not nearly at the same rate or with the same intensity as kids these days, or at least that's my view. I may be totally wrong. And you'll never see that one published in JAMA but it's my common sense hypothesis.

I have a theory. Mine is that we wear these kids out these days. Train them like their NFLers at the age of 13. Just not alot of down time. Their bodies are simply pushed to the limit. While some of you who are my age can recall, we trained, but not nearly at the same rate or with the same intensity as kids these days, or at least that's my view. I may be totally wrong. And you'll never see that one published in JAMA but it's my common sense hypothesis.

 

I can see that, I had 4 knee injuries that resulted in surgery in a rather short period of time(4 years both knees) and 3 of them came while playing games, one of them during a work out(mensicus only) and it seemed like in all 3 of those situations I was rather fatigued. I was in great shape at that time so it wasn't as noticable then but in retrospect they all occurred when I was gassed and no where near 100%, in each case I was running on competitive energy more so than anything else.