January 15, 201115 yr Thought I read something over the weekend, where some legislators were going to introduce a bill that dealt with that. In other words, if the state doesn't help fund it, it can't be mandated. Even so, there'll still be many districts in a bind. Four years ago a judge in Franklin Co stated "We believe it is within our power to declare the SEEK formula, as it operates today, unconstitutional”.
January 15, 201115 yr TRUE! They had to keep building new elementary, junior and high schools, and from what I hear they still may need more very soon! I know for a fact schools such as Beechwood and Highlands have been complaining about this for several years now! Maybe it will take a large district such as Boone to get people's attention. Question for you SportsGuy. Do you believe that funds from prosperous school districts should be redistributed to less fortunate school districts?
January 15, 201115 yr So, Property tax money is being taken from Boone County and sent to other districts? I am not sure that is happening. Now, if they are talking about state income tax and state other taxes that the state takes up and then redistributes, well they do that for everything and not just schools. If the county raises property taxes for schools, then the state decreases the same amount it pays out to the county school. Then the state is able to take the money they save from having to give to Boone and disperse it to other school systems in the state.
January 15, 201115 yr If the county raises property taxes for schools, then the state decreases the same amount it pays out to the county school. Then the state is able to take the money they save from having to give to Boone and disperse it to other school systems in the state. So, that is NOT taking money from Boone County and giving it to other counties. You guys are making it sound like that the taxes paid by Boone County citizens are sent to other school districts. Rather the allotment given to Boone County is reduced based upon their committment at the local level. That system is setup based upon on a court decision in the early 90's that the education funding system in KY was unconstitutional. Several NKY districts were part of the lawsuit that got the old funding system thrown out.
January 15, 201115 yr If the county raises property taxes for schools, then the state decreases the same amount it pays out to the county school. Then the state is able to take the money they save from having to give to Boone and disperse it to other school systems in the state. On a side note, not sure at any time in all of the discussions in P & R, I have ever read a statement that indicates the government SAVED money.:D:lol::lol:
January 15, 201115 yr So, that is NOT taking money from Boone County and giving it to other counties. You guys are making it sound like that the taxes paid by Boone County citizens are sent to other school districts. Rather the allotment given to Boone County is reduced based upon their committment at the local level. That system is setup based upon on a court decision in the early 90's that the education funding system in KY was unconstitutional. Several NKY districts were part of the lawsuit that got the old funding system thrown out. How is that not taking money away from them? Lets say the state gives Boone a $1.50, then Boone faced with a need to build schools raises taxes $.50, well then the state now only gives Boone $1.00. Yeah, that is not taking money away. Then that $.50 is sent to other school districts in the state. The only good side I guess that property taxes do not gets raised because it becomes a wash when the state decreases their payout. The bad side is property taxes stay low and attracts more people to move across the river and add students to the system.
January 15, 201115 yr How is that not taking money away from them? Lets say the state gives Boone a $1.50, then Boone faced with a need to build schools raises taxes $.50, well then the state now only gives Boone $1.00. Yeah, that is not taking money away. The only good side I guess that property taxes do not gets raised because it becomes a wash when the state decreases their payout. The bad side is property taxes stay low and attracts more people to move across the river and add students to the system. Well first off your question shows your lack of knowledge of education funding. Money to be used for building schools is a TOTALLY separate pot of money than the money used to operate schools. SEEK money is NOT used to build schools. That is through some bonding issue and then I think a matching that the state does after they have approved the plans for the new school. The funds involved in the argument would be SEEK funds BUT NOT money to build schools. Two totally different pots of money.
January 15, 201115 yr Well first off your question shows your lack of knowledge of education funding. Money to be used for building schools is a TOTALLY separate pot of money than the money used to operate schools. SEEK money is NOT used to build schools. That is through some bonding issue and then I think a matching that the state does after they have approved the plans for the new school. The funds involved in the argument would be SEEK funds BUT NOT money to build schools. Two totally different pots of money. I understand the difference in build funds but you then have to fund the operation and education of the students in the new building. Substitute money to build schools to operate schools. What I stated is true about how the state money decreases at the same ratio compared to increase in county taxes. Boone from what I understand is "bonded out" because of all the recent schools it has had to build.
January 15, 201115 yr ]Well first off your question shows your lack of knowledge of education funding.[/b] Money to be used for building schools is a TOTALLY separate pot of money than the money used to operate schools. SEEK money is NOT used to build schools. That is through some bonding issue and then I think a matching that the state does after they have approved the plans for the new school. The funds involved in the argument would be SEEK funds BUT NOT money to build schools. Two totally different pots of money. I by no means, think that I can honestly say that I "understand" it. I do know that you have more of an understanding about it than I would. I am only relaying what I have heard at those exciting board meetings and read in the newspaper.
January 15, 201115 yr Those from the rural areas of Kentucky really need to understand just how big the Boone County School system is! We are talking about more students in it's public school system, than some Counties have people who live in their entire county and that doesn't include the many Catholic and or Christian Schools of which one, Immaculate Heart of Mary Grade School (713 K-8) is the largest in the entire Diocese of Covington School system. Total public Schools: 24 Traditional Schools: 22 Vocational Schools: 1 Alternative Schools: 1 Number of Title I Schools: 8 Number of Students: 18,037 Full-Time Teachers: 1,051
January 16, 201115 yr Those from the rural areas of Kentucky really need to understand just how big the Boone County School system is! We are talking about more students in it's public school system, than some Counties have people who live in their entire county and that doesn't include the many Catholic and or Christian Schools of which one, Immaculate Heart of Mary Grade School (713 K-8) is the largest in the entire Diocese of Covington School system. Total public Schools: 24 Traditional Schools: 22 Vocational Schools: 1 Alternative Schools: 1 Number of Title I Schools: 8 Number of Students: 18,037 Full-Time Teachers: 1,051 Interesting question would be to see how Fayette County and Jefferson County is doing financially. If they are okay, it would seem logical to suggest that Boone County could do it. If they are struggling, then I think there is probably true concern there.
January 16, 201115 yr Interesting question would be to see how Fayette County and Jefferson County is doing financially. If they are okay, it would seem logical to suggest that Boone County could do it. If they are struggling, then I think there is probably true concern there. Well Jefferson County has a bit of an advantage in an infrastructure that has existed for some time and we allow schools to go over 1,000 student without splitting them up.
January 16, 201115 yr Your post demonstrates how alienated you are from the issues in BC. Not a clue. Ya maybe those of us with educations trying to help smaller communities should just not have public schools for our kids, because you wealthier counties are the only place that need them. I have a huge clue about how schools are ran, I have tons of family involved in school districts across Ky on various levels. And it is mostly about money managing. Like I said you are paid based on your enrollment and then the attendance of that enrollment. Boone County is getting close to the same amount of money per student as every other school in the Commonwealth. So you want them to get more while the poorer communities should get less based on what you have been saying. You would just assume the kids of Eastern Kentucky just not go to school. Because if they only budgets they had were based on local tax revenue you would have about 100 kids per teacher, if not more.
January 16, 201115 yr Well Jefferson County has a bit of an advantage in an infrastructure that has existed for some time and we allow schools to go over 1,000 student without splitting them up. Is that BC's policy, to build a new school if one goes over 1,000 students? If so then they have created their own money problems.
January 17, 201115 yr Is that BC's policy, to build a new school if one goes over 1,000 students? If so then they have created their own money problems. I could be wrong, but that is something that I seem to recall being brought up when talking about enrollment numbers. Which has never made sense to me. Add on to the building and hire more teachers. Our student to teacher ration is like 18:1 or 20:1 and we have about 1300-1400 students.
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