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The Proposition 19 Conundrum

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What? It'd be treated similarly to alcohol. If you're underage, you can be punished. If you're operating a motor vehicle under the influence, you can be punished.

 

I don't know what happens if you smoke so much that you pass out on a park bench. Not sure that you would get a PI. :lol:

 

They said it would be legal as a state law but not federal law?

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Says alot about the situation this country is in when we look to gambling and drugs as solutions to our economic woes.

 

It shows that finally our country is getting away from ridiculous laws. I see this as a giant leap forward.

Says alot about the situation this country is in when we look to gambling and drugs as solutions to our economic woes.

 

Is that any worse than saying to save our country we need to use a book that may or may not have been inspired by a divine entity?

Is that any worse than saying to save our country we need to use a book that may or may not have been inspired by a divine entity?

 

Much worse.

Much worse.

 

In your opinion. I know many an individual who would rather we shake off the superstitious trappings of a belief in a mystical being.

 

I just don't understand the nannyistic tendency of those who want to restrict individuals from making their own mistakes.

 

Are you also for making running with scissors illegal?

Says alot about the situation this country is in when we look to gambling and drugs as solutions to our economic woes.

 

Maybe. But for the past 10 years or so, the "solutions" aren't doing so hot.

I wouldn't go as far to say that making it legal is a giant leap forward. I do think that no matter what, whether you make it legal or illegal, that whoever wants it, is going to get it. As a resident of California, I can say that law enforcement in LA and especially San Fran have more things to worry about than if someone is smoking a big fatty, and they often don't make a big deal of it.

 

If people are going to do it, I say make it legal, tax it, at least the government will make money. I think saying that alcohol should be legal and pot shouldn't be is a hypocritical statement.

I wouldn't go as far to say that making it legal is a giant leap forward. I do think that no matter what, whether you make it legal or illegal, that whoever wants it, is going to get it. As a resident of California, I can say that law enforcement in LA and especially San Fran have more things to worry about than if someone is smoking a big fatty,

 

Calvin Broadus hopes so.

Calvin Broadus hopes so.

 

Fo shizzle, my nizzle.

In your opinion. I know many an individual who would rather we shake off the superstitious trappings of a belief in a mystical being.

 

I just don't understand the nannyistic tendency of those who want to restrict individuals from making their own mistakes.

 

Are you also for making running with scissors illegal?

 

Let's just make everything legal then and put no restrictions on anybody.

 

I can use your points to make an illogical point too.

I just don't understand the pollyanna tendency of those who think anyone should just be allowed to negatively effect others through their own mistakes.

 

You REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY don't think you aren't going to be effected by problems they cause. That is a major head buried in the sand. Heck, look at all the bailouts we have now for problems people put on themselves.

 

If this country really let people suffer from their own mistakes, I could see your point. But we both know, this country does not allow that and it ain't going to change in the future.

Maybe. But for the past 10 years or so, the "solutions" aren't doing so hot.

 

That's because a) this country is not willing to accept solutions; b) we haven't had leadership to push us to solutions; c) rather we have been treating the symptoms and not the illness.

In your opinion. I know many an individual who would rather we shake off the superstitious trappings of a belief in a mystical being.

 

?

 

Well, I know many of a people that thinks we should do away with police and snitches who rat people out and let each take care of their own like the Wild West days. You take from me and I take from you. You hurt my family, I hurt your family.

 

Guess we can both play illogical, I know people games. I am absolutely 100% serious about people who feel the above is the right way to live our lives. Take care of your own and operate outside the law.

Ladiesbballcoach - Again, we have gotten off topic or are avoiding the issue.

 

Why, in your opinion, should marijuana remain illegal? Do you envision ANY benefits if it were legalized?

Ladiesbballcoach - Again, we have gotten off topic or are avoiding the issue.

 

Why, in your opinion, should marijuana remain illegal? Do you envision ANY benefits if it were legalized?

 

Had a young lady visited me about a month ago. Former student who had just completed a stay in prison for drugs. Not jail. Prison. We talked for a good while and I posed the following question, "A lot of people say that marijuana does not lead to other drugs. It's not a gateway drug. What do you think?"

 

She said ABSOLUTELY IT IS!!!! Her and all of her friends started out with it just being smoking marijuana and as the crowd that was supplying it to her moved onto other things, she eventually did too. Said that marijuana was her first step down the road to her supplying and selling oxycotin and other more "serious" drugs.

Had a young lady visited me about a month ago. Former student who had just completed a stay in prison for drugs. Not jail. Prison. We talked for a good while and I posed the following question, "A lot of people say that marijuana does not lead to other drugs. It's not a gateway drug. What do you think?"

 

She said ABSOLUTELY IT IS!!!! Her and all of her friends started out with it just being smoking marijuana and as the crowd that was supplying it to her moved onto other things, she eventually did too. Said that marijuana was her first step down the road to her supplying and selling oxycotin and other more "serious" drugs.

 

There's no doubt that most people who use other drugs have also tried marijuana. It's also probable that most marijuana users have smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol.

 

Could the social stigmas and misconceptions about marijauna be partly to blame? For example, most children are told (in DARE programs, or other "educational" programs) that marijuana is a horrible drug. That, if you want to play sports, you should never smoke marijuana. That, if you want to be a successful business person, you should not smoke marijuana. If you do use marijuana, then you will lose coordination, lose motor sensory functions, and paralyze brain cells that you'll never be able to get back.

 

When someone actually tries marijuana, they realize that they have been lied to or the effects have been overexaggerated. Naturally, they suspect that the same is true about other, more hardcore drugs (cocaine, prescription medication, etc.). However, the effects of the other drugs are very, very real.

 

Also, if marijuana were legalized, you would not have to go to "the crowd that was supplying" the pot (and other drugs). You'd be able to go to the local grocery store and pick it up. I do not believe that marijuana is a gateway drug in the sense that it makes you more likely to experiment with other drugs. But, if you're going to smoke marijuana, it is likely that you'll get it from the same "black market" that also happens to be selling other, more hardcore drugs.

 

If you think about it, it makes business sense. Let's say you sell drugs with total disregard of its effects and are in the "drug business" strictly for financial gain (as many are). Let's say you can make $1,000 a month selling marijuana. Since marijuana is illegal, you have to purchase it from another shady drug dealer. That dealer asks you if you are interested in making more money - say $5,000 a month by selling oxycontin. For someone who is blinded by the potential profit, that is a no brainer. So now you offer marijuana and oxycontin to your "clients".

 

My point is that, by legalizing marijuana, you can actually limit the exposure to other drugs.

 

Check out this short article: http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/library/mjgate.htm

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