May 5, 201016 yr Author They also said there were weapons on mass destruction-so is it what they say or what the facts are? More of a reason that it was NOT a war on religion basis. Thanks for adding to the weight that Iraq is NOT a war based on religion or a Christianity vs. Islam war.
May 5, 201016 yr Author I think he wanted to be revered as a Muslim leader in the middle east, and thought by picking a fight with us, then he could declare that the tilt was on between the Christians and Muslims and be looked to as the area's leader. Saddam was a coward that hid behind his countrymen and his religion. I would agree on the bolded but feel that he wanted the money and land (control of more oil and the power that comes with that) to be revered as a leader. Not sure that being a Muslim leader was important to him. Just the power.
May 5, 201016 yr 1) Boston's did not dump tea in the harbor for religious freedom. 2) WWI and II, we didn't even know about the concentration camps till we found them towards the end of the war. WWII we got into because of a little thing called Pearl Harbor. That was Japan and had nothing to do with Jews. And then Germany declared war on us because of an alliance they had with Japan. (reminds me of the alliance between Russell and Parvati:D) 3) I think Saddam wanted oil, pure and simple. 1- you ar right-that was taxation without representation 2- Yes Pearl Harbor drew us in. So our great "Christian" ways ignored the plight of the Pols and others in Europe who were being trampled and we stood by picking our nose? We knew what Hitler was up to....perhaps not to the level it was, but to say we didn't know he was spitting hatred to the Jews is naive. 3) We disagree as to the reason for #3.
May 5, 201016 yr Author 1- you ar right-that was taxation without representation 2- Yes Pearl Harbor drew us in. So our great "Christian" ways ignored the plight of the Pols and others in Europe who were being trampled and we stood by picking our nose? We knew what Hitler was up to....perhaps not to the level it was, but to say we didn't know he was spitting hatred to the Jews is naive. 3) We disagree as to the reason for #3. #2, I believe it was the anti-war crowd in Congress. Many, including the President, wanted in the war and our President did the right thing by pushing the limits on providing things that he could to England. Had nothing to do with Christianity. In a real quick search, found this. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1661.html America prepares for war After the war began in Europe in 1939, people in the Americas were divided on whether their countries should take part or stay out. Most Americans hoped the Allies would win, but they also hoped to keep the United States out of war. The isolationists, wanted the country to stay out of the war at almost any cost. Another group, the interventionists, wanted the United States to do all in its power to aid the Allies. Canada declared war on Germany almost at once, while the United States shifted its policy from neutrality to preparedness. It began to expand its armed forces, build defense plants, and give the Allies all-out aid short of war. President Franklin D. Roosevelt called upon the United States to be "the great arsenal of democracy," and supply war materials to the Allies through sale, lease, or loan. The Lend-Lease bill became law on March 11, 1941. During the next four years, the U.S. sent more than $50 billion worth of war matériel to the Allies. In 1939, the United States had about 174,000 men in the Army; 126,400 in the Navy; 26,000 in the Army Air Corps; 19,700 in the Marine Corps; and 10,000 in the Coast Guard. At the height of its strength in 1945, the United States had six million in the Army; 3,400,000 in the Navy; 2,400,000 in the Army air forces; 484,000 in the Marine Corps; and 170,000 in the Coast Guard. In 1939, the United States had about 2,500 airplanes and 760 warships. By 1945, it had about 80,000 airplanes and 2,500 warships. The United States used draft laws to build their armed forces. The United States Selective Service Act became law on September 16, 1940. Factories in the United States converted from civilian to war production with amazing speed. Firms that had made vacuum cleaners before the war began to produce machine guns. As men went into the armed forces, women took their places in war plants. By 1943, more than two million women were working in American war industries. In shipyards and aircraft plants, Rosie the riveter became a common sight. Officials discovered that women could perform the duties of eight of every 10 jobs normally done by men. Urgent requirements for war matériel caused many shortages in consumer goods. Most governments, both Allied and Axis, had to ration the amount of consumer goods each person could use. In the United States, rationed items included meats, butter, sugar, fats, oil, coffee, canned foods, shoes, and gasoline. Congress gave the president power to freeze prices, salaries, and wages at their levels of September 15, 1942. The United States imposed a special excise tax on such luxury items as jewelry and cosmetics. The government also set up a civil-defense system to protect the country from attack. Many cities practiced "blackouts" in which cities on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts dimmed their lights. Ordinarily, the glare from their lights made ships near the shore easy targets for submarines.
May 5, 201016 yr People ( due to their base - or in Christian terms "their fallen or sinful nature" ) are the cause of every war. At the root I would categorize some key traits as: Greed Lust for Power/Control Fear/Doubt Hatred Revenge Pride/Vanity Murderous Desires This list is far from comprehensive, but I believe one or more may be ascribed to virtually every conflict instigated over the past millennium. I won't get into the books others may read, but these are not the virtues endorsed by the religion/faith I choose to be a part of. :thumb:
May 5, 201016 yr Author People ( due to their base - or in Christian terms "their fallen or sinful nature" ) are the cause of every war. At the root I would categorize some key traits as: Greed Lust for Power/Control Fear/Doubt Hatred Revenge Pride/Vanity Murderous Desires This list is far from comprehensive, but I believe one or more may be ascribed to virtually every conflict instigated over the past millennium. I won't get into the books others may read, but these are not the virtues endorsed by the religion/faith I choose to be a part of. :thumb: As always, excellent post.
May 5, 201016 yr I don't know about causing wars but in my studies I've seen it used to justify one's cause as being better than the other side's.
May 5, 201016 yr (NOT TRUE) Plus our walking hand in hand with Isreal and our belief that they should have a homeland which came about as of us winning WWII has created GREAT animosity towards us and Isreal in the Middle East. The American Revolution was not about religious freedom. I have looked it up. Perhaps you should. WWII was not centered around Jewish persecution. And, I don't know what Saddam Hussein was thinking, but I've never heard anyone claim Desert Storm was an attempt at a religous idealogical war...until now.
May 5, 201016 yr More of a reason that it was NOT a war on religion basis. Thanks for adding to the weight that Iraq is NOT a war based on religion or a Christianity vs. Islam war. Gosh I don't know why we are even fighting them or why we are there? If you don't believe that we are there to protect our own interests (oil), and Isreal-the country and the idea-which is a biblicly based idea, then I guess our discussion is over. The Bible does have something to say about this Holy Land doesn't it? Isn't it where altercations are going to occur because of religion? And if one side absolutely 100% believes their religion is right, and the others side believes the same-guess what? WAR-that is the way it is, has been, and forever shall be. (History 2:8)
May 5, 201016 yr The American Revolution was not about religious freedom. I have looked it up. Perhaps you should. WWII was not centered around Jewish persecution. And, I don't know what Saddam Hussein was thinking, but I've never heard anyone claim Desert Storm was an attempt at a religous idealogical war...until now. Let me guess, the Jews were not persecuted Mr. Birch? I already said I was wrong about the American Revolution as I was stating the reason the USA was founded-to break away from England and their lack of religous tolerance. You didn't hear the religous ideological war beause you live here-see that is the funny thing-there are two sides to every story and you actually have to listen to the other side to know what they are thinking. Man I was a conservative before I got on here-now I see why the Liberals get so disgusted-the right is more interested in being loud than correct. Why do you think we have troops in the middle East right now then???
May 5, 201016 yr I don't know about causing wars but in my studies I've seen it used to justify one's cause as being better than the other side's. :thumb: Religion is often brought into conflicts to varying degrees. As you state, many times people will use it to justify their cause or claim their side is better. Leaders in the past (and today) use it to further their cause, to manipulate their people and rally them to the cause under a religious banner. Appealing to a person's religion can have a powerful effect. I imagine it would be easier to rally support if you could convince the people that God wanted you to fight rather than tell them you just want more land.
May 5, 201016 yr Author :ohbrother: Disappointed because I was awaiting your view on this as I believe you have a lot of expertise in this field.
May 5, 201016 yr Disappointed because I was awaiting your view on this as I believe you have a lot of expertise in this field. I will weigh in eventually. Right now I am just sitting back and groaning at some posts. When I get the inkling I will give my opinion.
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