You certainly are ignorant of lots of facts if you believe what your "educator friend" said. I think enough's been said in reference to that.

 

 

Funny though, there are many many people and schools that do exactly as he referenced. He never said ALL.

Having said all that and hearing the above suggestions, I have one question. What do you propose to do with the thousands of kids this will result in?

 

In NorKY, this number would be somewhere between 800 to 1,200 kids. One entire school! Please do not suggest to educate in a separate area. The state will not and the community will not agree to pay for it.

An excellent question, Silver Shadow. I cannot possibly imagine suggesting that these kids by educated in a separate area. In my opinion (again, this is where I clearly fall on the conservative side of the aisle), these kids have forfeited their right to a free education, provided by the state. Just as a convicted criminal forfeits his or her right to vote, these individuals have forfeited their right to an education at the states expense. What to do with them? I have no idea - they are not my (or the states) responsibility. My best guess is that there is no "One Size Fits All" answer to your question.

 

My best guess is that after a small number are permanently expelled and the parents are faced with these little "darlings", the majority of borderline kids that are left will clean up their act. Then again, that's just a guess on my part - who really knows?

 

Frances

If the KHSAA would do their job and monitor recruiting then people wouldn't be concerned. It isn't that public schools want the privates out because they are so good. It is because there is a double standard in the KHSAA where one school can recruit in kids from anywhere including other states and the public schools have very distinct districts that they have to draw kids from. Now is that fair? NO!

The reality is private and public recruit so when you talk of not fair understand what you are talking about. The out of state recruiting is done more by publics in border towns than by privates. Kids come from Ohio, Wv, Tn, and Indiana most of these with the exception of Louisville and Covington these kids are going to public schools.

SS, I understand your point about "what do we do with those kids", but when does it come to the point of what's best for all the REST of the kids? At some point, this madness of assuming the school must police our children must stop, and parents MUST be held responsible for the care and actions of their children! I know it's not a popular opinion to hold. But let me be the first to say that I'm all about 2nd chances, until the multiplier on the 2nd chances exceeds single digits.

 

You are correct. But here is the macro risk we run as a society if we travel down this road: We will lose the one MAJOR and SIGNIFICANT world advantage we have in education and that is having the most and best educated population, by far, in the world.

 

Those of us who value education understand the need for it. The real question comes from how to create the motivation for others who currently reject it, come to embrace it. Many public schools are trying to find the answer to this and I wish to add, not getting any credit for trying to do it.

That's about as insulting as I've ever heard. You can tell your friend there are plenty of public schools who haven't dumbed down curriculum and there are LOTS of teachers and coaches who do more than draw a freaking paycheck. And that kind of attitude is exactly why some of the public schools have problems with uppity snotty people who think they are too good to attend a public school. My public school has over 50 kids getting college credits this year on our campus with a partnership with a local university, has instilled a new freshman academy with teacher's working overtime, had 3 national merit scholars last year, and on and on.........don't lump all "public" schools in the same boat just because you are upset about some stupid athletic vote. Athletics schould not drive high schools. Get over it, the BOC won't let it happen anyway. You educator friend obviously isn't very educated.

The dumbing down of the curriculum?

That is funny. From what I understand the curriculum, which I would think all of the public schools, is aligned according to what the Kentucky Department of Education mandates with the Cats Testing, which is a part of our state government.

The dumbing down of the curriculum?

That is funny. From what I understand the curriculum, which I would think all of the public schools, is aligned according to what the Kentucky Department of Education mandates with the Cats Testing, which is a part of our state government.

 

Which has been accepted by the federal government, under Republican leadership, known as NCLB.

SS, do you have any issues with the existence of private schools? I mean that sincerely. I'm trying to figure out if you are simply defending public schools (which is well within your right), or if you harbor angst at the existence of private schools who are administered differently than public schools?

Have no issues with private schools at all.

Have no issues with private schools at all.

 

 

I didn't think so, but some of your posts give me pause. :thumb:

Must be making good points! :scared:

Must be making good points! :scared:

 

 

Possibly....or maybe some points that make me feel you're attacking the premise of private schools. :sssh:

You are correct. But here is the macro risk we run as a society if we travel down this road: We will lose the one MAJOR and SIGNIFICANT world advantage we have in education and that is having the most and best educated population, by far, in the world.

 

Those of us who value education understand the need for it. The real question comes from how to create the motivation for others who currently reject it, come to embrace it. Many public schools are trying to find the answer to this and I wish to add, not getting any credit for trying to do it.

 

I have mentioned this in many of my posts. Compulsory education has outlived its usefulness.

 

I do not think this is true SS. If we rid our schools of those who do not want to be educated, the students that are left will be better off.

 

If those students are forced to stay home and mommy and daddy must keep an eye on them. They (the parents) may take a bigger interest in their child’s education, just to get them out of trouble on the streets.

 

The second thing that may happen is that those who were not able to get an education may value it when they get older and have children. They will realize that it was harder for them to succeed without and education and they will want their children to fair better than themselves (Human Nature).

Therefore, they will send their children to school and put a greater emphasis on their child’s education.

 

Yes, we may loose a little across the board but in the long run 20-30 years from now we will have an even greater advantage worldwide in education.

Isn't compulsory school attendance moving from 16 years of age to 18 in the near future?

I have mentioned this in many of my posts. Compulsory education has outlived its usefulness.

 

I do not think this is true SS. If we rid our schools of those who do not want to be educated, the students that are left will be better off.

 

If those students are forced to stay home and mommy and daddy must keep an eye on them. They (the parents) may take a bigger interest in their child’s education, just to get them out of trouble on the streets.

 

The second thing that may happen is that those who were not able to get an education may value it when they get older and have children. They will realize that it was harder for them to succeed without and education and they will want their children to fair better than themselves (Human Nature).

Therefore, they will send their children to school and put a greater emphasis on their child’s education.

 

Yes, we may loose a little across the board but in the long run 20-30 years from now we will have an even greater advantage worldwide in education.

 

Oldschool you are making just a few assumptions. Check your comments. A great deal of the circumstance problems do not have a mom AND a dad. Second, do you really wish to empower minor age children, succumb to the ignorance of do not care, trash parent(s) and allow such to totally, not only eject from education but ultimately eject from society. Fast forward a generation and you will truly have a class society and a major set of problems. Please note, many immigrants come to this country leaving a class society. Be careful to set the tone to create one.

Oldschool you are making just a few assumptions. Check your comments. A great deal of the circumstance problems do not have a mom AND a dad. Second, do you really wish to empower minor age children, succumb to the ignorance of do not care, trash parent(s) and allow such to totally, not only eject from education but ultimately eject from society. Fast forward a generation and you will truly have a class society and a major set of problems. Please note, many immigrants come to this country leaving a class society. Be careful to set the tone to create one.

 

You are correct the next generation will have major problems. But the generation after that will prosper. I am not saying that education should not be free and offered to everyone. I'm saying that compulsory education (forcing children to attend school, is outdated). I teach at an alternative school, here over 60% of the students are just waiting until their 16th b-day to drop out, and most of their parents, probably 90% of that group, tell us they are just waiting for their child to turn 16, It's our problem not theirs.

 

I'm a strong supporter of public education, but I would love to be able to go into a classroom and have little to no discipline problems, (or at least when there is one the parents respond or actually care) and be able to actually teach children. If it were not for the pay and percieved social class I may enjoy teaching at a private school.