Sure.

 

You claimed correctly that budgets are owned and authored by Congress. That's true of the healthcare bills floating the halls of DC as well. So, if its not the President's budget then any healthcare bill would not be the President's solely either. They can twist arms. They can make deals. However, it ultimately comes down to the members who actually write it and vote for it.

Gotcha. I agree that it's not his solely, the healthcare bill, but it is he that has tried to rush this thing through. It's all about passing anything, it seems, regardless of it being a good bill or a bad one. I'm all for good healthcare reform, I just haven't seen a good bill since this whole thing started.

 

Add to the problem you have Nut-case Nanci making stupid remarks like

“We’ll go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, we’ll go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole-vault in. If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in." That was her latest remark on getting healthcare reform passed. She doesn't seem to grasp, nor does the president, that people don't want what they're trying to ram down our throats.

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Gotcha. I agree that it's not his solely, the healthcare bill, but it is he that has tried to rush this thing through. It's all about passing anything, it seems, regardless of it being a good bill or a bad one. I'm all for good healthcare reform, I just haven't seen a good bill since this whole thing started.

 

 

I'm not sure I think he's tried to rush things for the sake of nefarious reasons. I think he's committed to getting reform, and that he's not wanting it to wallow in political standoffs. I think his intent is to put pressure on them to do their jobs.

I'm not sure I think he's tried to rush things for the sake of nefarious reasons. I think he's committed to getting reform, and that he's not wanting it to wallow in political standoffs. I think his intent is to put pressure on them to do their jobs.

I disagree, at this juncture he's failed miserably on pretty much everything he's tried from healthcare to Gitmo to Cap-and-trade and on and on. I think he's dying to push something through.

I think he's dying to push something through.

 

Maybe the Democrats in congress could honor Obama by all voting "Present" on the healthcare bill.

Just curious RTS, why didn't you post hundreds of threads like this when Bush was President?

 

We all know the ammunition was there.

Just curious RTS, why didn't you post hundreds of threads like this when Bush was President?

 

We all know the ammunition was there.

 

Plenty of other members were posting those threads back then. Perhaps even yourself?

 

I said at the time it would be fun for some members to be on the other side for a while.

Just curious RTS, why didn't you post hundreds of threads like this when Bush was President?

 

We all know the ammunition was there.

 

If the ammunition was there why didn't you?

Just curious RTS, why didn't you post hundreds of threads like this when Bush was President?

 

We all know the ammunition was there.

Just curious HB, why haven't you posted even one thread like this about Obama?

 

We all know the ammunition is there.

Fact Check

 

 

OBAMA: "Starting in 2011, we are prepared to freeze government spending for three years. Spending related to our national security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will not be affected. But all other discretionary government programs will. Like any cash-strapped family, we will work within a budget to invest in what we need and sacrifice what we don't."

THE FACTS: The anticipated savings from this proposal would amount to less than 1 percent of the deficit — and that's if the president can persuade Congress to go along.

 

Obama is a convert to the cause of broad spending freezes. In the presidential campaign, he criticized Republican opponent John McCain for suggesting one. "The problem with a spending freeze is you're using a hatchet where you need a scalpel," he said a month before the election. Now, Obama wants domestic spending held steady in most areas where the government can control year-to-year costs. The proposal is similar to McCain's.

 

so, after being in office he sees how congress works and thinks he needs a hatchet. There was no "lie" in his coment.

OBAMA: "I've called for a bipartisan fiscal commission, modeled on a proposal by Republican Judd Gregg and Democrat Kent Conrad. This can't be one of those Washington gimmicks that lets us pretend we solved a problem. The commission will have to provide a specific set of solutions by a certain deadline. Yesterday, the Senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission. So I will issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward, because I refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of Americans."

THE FACTS: Any commission that Obama creates would be a weak substitute for what he really wanted — a commission created by Congress that could force lawmakers to consider unpopular remedies to reduce the debt, including curbing politically sensitive entitlements like Social Security and Medicare. That idea crashed in the Senate this week, defeated by equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans. Any commission set up by Obama alone would lack authority to force its recommendations before Congress, and would stand almost no chance of success.

 

Since Congress wouldn't set it up, Obama did. I don't see the issue here. Obama is doing what congres wouldn't.

OBAMA: Discussing his health care initiative, he said, "Our approach would preserve the right of Americans who have insurance to keep their doctor and their plan."

THE FACTS: The Democratic legislation now hanging in limbo on Capitol Hill aims to keep people with employer-sponsored coverage — the majority of Americans under age 65 — in the plans they already have. But Obama can't guarantee people won't see higher rates or fewer benefits in their existing plans. Because of elements such as new taxes on insurance companies, insurers could change what they offer or how much it costs. Moreover, Democrats have proposed a series of changes to the Medicare program for people 65 and older that would certainly pinch benefits enjoyed by some seniors. The Congressional Budget Office has predicted cuts for those enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans.

 

Exactly why you need the public option - it will hold prices down. removing their exempt status would help a great deal in lowering costs.

OBAMA: He called for action by the White House and Congress "to do our work openly, and to give our people the government they deserve."

THE FACTS: Obama skipped past a broken promise from his campaign — to have the negotiations for health care legislation broadcast on C-SPAN "so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies." Instead, Democrats in the White House and Congress have conducted the usual private negotiations, making multibillion-dollar deals with hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and other stakeholders behind closed doors. Nor has Obama lived up consistently to his pledge to ensure that legislation is posted online for five days before it's acted upon.

 

If you believe in the SOP, Obama can't make Congress negotiate in public

Not found in this article is the fact that Obama repeatedly insisted that he inherited massive budgetary problems from George Bush, I guess he's still on the campaign trail.

 

Isn't it Congress that passes budgets, not the President?

 

Didn't the last three budgets came from Democrats?

 

In three years, they increased annual federal spending by $900 billion. The irresponsible Republican Congresses under George Bush increased annual federal spending by $800 billion..... in six years.

 

 

By the way, Obama served in the Senate that passed those bills, and he voted for every Democratic budget put in front of him. :sssh:

 

Your numbers for the Republicans conveniently leave out the cost of two wars since they paid for them in separate spending bills without asking the public to help foot the bill. Obama has asked that war spending be included. So didn't fill us with the foolishness that the Republicans had much lower budgets.

I don't see one negative thing in all that you posted. What are the real issues here.

Exactly why you need the public option - it will hold prices down. removing their exempt status would help a great deal in lowering costs.

 

If you believe that I have some land I want to sell you in Siberia...

 

The predicted costs of Medicare by the Ways and Means committee in 1966 was that it would cost $3B. Based on their inflation and cost increase predictions, they expected it to cost about $12B annually in 1990. The actual cost in 1990 was $107B.

 

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