January 11, 201016 yr I think the closer role used to be looked down on by baseball purist but now it is seen as a critical position. Thus, elevating the possibility of Hoffman getting in, in less years than the closers before him.
January 11, 201016 yr Tough crowd. .328/325/1202 His batting average is the only thing that really stands out. He's a great player but I'm just not sold on him getting into the HOF.
January 11, 201016 yr To me these guys are definites Arod Junior Prince Albert as George Grande would say Jeter Manny Ramirez Chipper Jones Rivera Glavine After that the rest are debatable. Hoffman I think deserves it. Pudge possibly but I'm not sold Ichiro, I don't think so. I know he basically retired last year but how do you feel about John Smoltz?
January 11, 201016 yr Tough crowd. .328/325/1202 You should talk about a tough crowd, how can you not be sure about Pedro?
January 11, 201016 yr There are a few that I think are locks right now: Derek Jeter Ichiro Chipper Jones Albert Pujols Mariano Rivera Roy Halladay Ken Griffey Jr Jim Thome Ivan Rodriguez John Smoltz There are some more that are questionable for me such as Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Andy Pettite, and Gary Sheffield, because they have been tied to steroids, I don't believe that those who have been proven to have taken steroids deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. They have cheated, and their achievments were helped by using steroids, which should not be embraced. I do not believe that we should give athletes a pass for using steroids to "help them recover from injuries", the drugs were banned, we all knew about them, and they still chose to take them.
January 11, 201016 yr You should talk about a tough crowd, how can you not be sure about Pedro? Since when does 219 wins make you a definite HOFer?
January 11, 201016 yr Since when does 219 wins make you a definite HOFer? If you're going to go by that, since when does 165? That's Sandy Koufax's career win total -- and that came in perhaps the most pitcher-friendly era of MLB history. Pedro's one of the dominant SPs of his era, plus the fact that he's been injured so much actually works in his favor a bit, kind of like Griffey. I don't think anybody's ever looked at Pedro's slight stature and said, "Yep, he's a juicer." We get hung up too much on the numbers aspect of it rather than judging the real impact of the player in the era he played in. Pedro easily passes the eyeball test, and has been as good a big-game pitcher as there is.
January 11, 201016 yr To me these guys are definites Arod Junior Prince Albert as George Grande would say Jeter Manny Ramirez Chipper Jones Rivera Glavine After that the rest are debatable. Hoffman I think deserves it. Pudge possibly but I'm not sold Ichiro, I don't think so. I know he basically retired last year but how do you feel about John Smoltz? 1. Ichiro is a definite HOF player. He will be close to reaching 3000 hits and that is automatic. 2. John Smoltz didn't "basically retire" last year considering he pitched almost the whole year. I believe he missed a month or two at the beginning of the season. He will pitch this year as well.
January 12, 201016 yr Since when does 219 wins make you a definite HOFer? He pitched his entire career in the era of 5 man rotations and pitch counts. Unless there is a serious shift in pitching philosophies there won't be many 300 game winners from this point on. His dominance goes further than just number or wins. How about these qualifications: 3 Cy Young Awards 8 All-Star Selections He led the league in ERA 5 times He led the league in Stikeouts 3 times, is 13th all-time in strikeouts and 3rd all-time in strikeouts per 9 He may only have 219 wins but his career record is 219-100 which is a winning percentage of .687--that is 6th all-time. He won the 1999 pitching triple crown when he led the league in wins, ERA and strikeouts. He has a career ERA of 2.93 and pitched his whole career during the offensive explosion that started in 1993. That ERA is about a run and a half below the league ERA for that time period. Included in that was a 5 year stretch from through 2003 in which he never had an ERA above 2.39. Those are staggering numbers given the era that he pitched in.
January 12, 201016 yr He pitched his entire career in the era of 5 man rotations and pitch counts. Unless there is a serious shift in pitching philosophies there won't be many 300 game winners from this point on. His dominance goes further than just number or wins. How about these qualifications: 3 Cy Young Awards 8 All-Star Selections He led the league in ERA 5 times He led the league in Stikeouts 3 times, is 13th all-time in strikeouts and 3rd all-time in strikeouts per 9 He may only have 219 wins but his career record is 219-100 which is a winning percentage of .687--that is 6th all-time. He won the 1999 pitching triple crown when he led the league in wins, ERA and strikeouts. He has a career ERA of 2.93 and pitched his whole career during the offensive explosion that started in 1993. That ERA is about a run and a half below the league ERA for that time period. Included in that was a 5 year stretch from through 2003 in which he never had an ERA above 2.39. Those are staggering numbers given the era that he pitched in. And the division he pitched in.
January 12, 201016 yr He pitched his entire career in the era of 5 man rotations and pitch counts. Unless there is a serious shift in pitching philosophies there won't be many 300 game winners from this point on. His dominance goes further than just number or wins. How about these qualifications: 3 Cy Young Awards 8 All-Star Selections He led the league in ERA 5 times He led the league in Stikeouts 3 times, is 13th all-time in strikeouts and 3rd all-time in strikeouts per 9 He may only have 219 wins but his career record is 219-100 which is a winning percentage of .687--that is 6th all-time. He won the 1999 pitching triple crown when he led the league in wins, ERA and strikeouts. He has a career ERA of 2.93 and pitched his whole career during the offensive explosion that started in 1993. That ERA is about a run and a half below the league ERA for that time period. Included in that was a 5 year stretch from through 2003 in which he never had an ERA above 2.39. Those are staggering numbers given the era that he pitched in. No doubt he has been a great pitcher. I'll predict, though, that it will take a few years before he gets in. Right or wrong (and you certainly make a good argument).
January 12, 201016 yr You should talk about a tough crowd, how can you not be sure about Pedro? 219 wins, not before Kaat, John, or Blyleven.
January 12, 201016 yr 1. Ichiro is a definite HOF player. He will be close to reaching 3000 hits and that is automatic. 2. John Smoltz didn't "basically retire" last year considering he pitched almost the whole year. I believe he missed a month or two at the beginning of the season. He will pitch this year as well. I stand corrected on Smoltz, I forgot about him going to St. Louis. Does he get in? I think so. Ichiro has a little over 2000 hits and is 37 years old. 3000 hits certainly isn't automatic and look at the hit totals for Larkin and Alomar. Plus Fred McGriff has 500+ homeruns. Now I think Ichiro has an edge because he is the first Japanesse player to have a chance. Ichiro to me is like Kirby Puckett. Very short career for a hall of famer. FTW, I don't think Puckett has any business in the Hall.
January 12, 201016 yr I stand corrected on Smoltz, I forgot about him going to St. Louis. Does he get in? I think so. Ichiro has a little over 2000 hits and is 37 years old. 3000 hits certainly isn't automatic and look at the hit totals for Larkin and Alomar. Plus Fred McGriff has 500+ homeruns. Now I think Ichiro has an edge because he is the first Japanesse player to have a chance. Ichiro to me is like Kirby Puckett. Very short career for a hall of famer. FTW, I don't think Puckett has any business in the Hall. I think Ichiro will be a HOF, he's the second best hitter of this era, and has produced pretty consistent numbers throughout the decade, and will probably get his 3,000, and possibly more. I think that he is the second best hitter of the decade behind Pujols, I think it's almost automatic for him to get in. As for McGriff, I think it will take him a few years on the ballot, but I believe he will get in. Smoltz should be in fairly easily as well, one of the best pitchers of the past 20 years IMO.
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