January 11, 201016 yr Author My list: 1) Ken Griffey Jr. 2) Alex Rodriquez 3) Albert Pujols 4) Pedro Martinez 5) Vladimir Guerrero 6) Ivan Rodriquez 7) Manny Ramierz 8) Mariano Rivera 9) Trevor Hoffman 10) Derek Jeter I'm sure I've forgotten some as well, but this was what I came up with at first glance....
January 11, 201016 yr 1. Ken Griffey Jr. 2. Albert Pujols 3. Derek Jeter 4. Chipper Jones 5. Mariano Rivera 6. Trevor Hoffman 7. Manny 8. Pudge 9. A-Rod 10. Pedro 11. Vlad 12. Smoltz 13. Ichiro
January 11, 201016 yr Given how hard it is for closers to get in, I wouldn't call Hoffman a lock. He is the All-Time saves leader. He has to be a lock.
January 11, 201016 yr Author He is the All-Time saves leader. He has to be a lock. Wasn't Lee Smith for awhile as well though? I think how dominate he's been for as long as he has been makes him a lock, but being a closer, it may not be a sure thing.
January 11, 201016 yr Who are the active MLB players that are sure fire Hall of Famers? Are you asking who we think should be or will be? I ask because while I think A-Rod & Manny should be a lock the voters have been pretty clear how they feel about the steriod guys.
January 11, 201016 yr Wasn't Lee Smith for awhile as well though? I think how dominate he's been for as long as he has been makes him a lock, but being a closer, it may not be a sure thing. He may have been. When you say lock, do you mean players that will get in on the 1st ballot, or do you just mean players that will get in to the HOF?
January 11, 201016 yr Author He may have been. When you say lock, do you mean players that will get in on the 1st ballot, or do you just mean players that will get in to the HOF? I was saying get in, regardless of ballot, although I feel many that have been listed will be 1st balloters.
January 11, 201016 yr I was saying get in, regardless of ballot, although I feel many that have been listed will be 1st balloters. Then I definitely think Hoffman is a lock. I think he should get 1st ballot, but I guess there is a chance he may not.
January 11, 201016 yr He is the All-Time saves leader. He has to be a lock. Wasn't Lee Smith for awhile as well though? I think how dominate he's been for as long as he has been makes him a lock, but being a closer, it may not be a sure thing. He may have been. When you say lock, do you mean players that will get in on the 1st ballot, or do you just mean players that will get in to the HOF? Smith was the all-time leader upon his retirement, mostly on mediocre to bad teams, and was more dominant than Hoffman, IMO. Look at another example: Goose Gossage was probably the most feared closer of his day -- in a day when 2-3 innings by a closer was not uncommon -- yet it took him 14 years to get the nod. Hoffman is outstanding, but a couple steps behind Smith and especially Gossage as far as dominating goes. Hoffman is more like Palmeiro -- a guy who looks a lot better on paper because of the era he played in.
January 11, 201016 yr Author Smith was the all-time leader upon his retirement, mostly on mediocre to bad teams, and was more dominant than Hoffman, IMO. Look at another example: Goose Gossage was probably the most feared closer of his day -- in a day when 2-3 innings by a closer was not uncommon -- yet it took him 14 years to get the nod. Hoffman is outstanding, but a couple steps behind Smith and especially Gossage as far as dominating goes. Hoffman is more like Palmeiro -- a guy who looks a lot better on paper because of the era he played in. I disagree. Hoffman has pretty much been lights out his entire career.
January 11, 201016 yr Smith was the all-time leader upon his retirement, mostly on mediocre to bad teams, and was more dominant than Hoffman, IMO. Look at another example: Goose Gossage was probably the most feared closer of his day -- in a day when 2-3 innings by a closer was not uncommon -- yet it took him 14 years to get the nod. Hoffman is outstanding, but a couple steps behind Smith and especially Gossage as far as dominating goes. Hoffman is more like Palmeiro -- a guy who looks a lot better on paper because of the era he played in. You make some very valid points Jim, especially about Goosage, but I still have him as a lock.
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