Any results of the Frosh/JV game?

Any results of the Frosh/JV game?

 

JV won by around 8. Great game out of Riedinger.

nice pics Panda. Looked like a physical contest. Looks like 33 from X has some hops. Looked liked everyone else was nailed to the floor

Coach L was indeed furious at him for not coming out and anyone who has followed CovCath basketball for the last two years can understand why!

 

I truly don't know if Trevor didn't understood what was going on at the time or just felt that he wasn't going to take himself out of the game?

I can't blame Trevor for not wanting to come out- if you come out, you never know when you are going back in. After following CCH for 7 years, I still can't figure out Coach L's substitution patterns. Austin Hudepohl did not play the entire 2nd Half. Why? Who knows. Clearly, CovCath was having trouble breaking the press, but Coach L didn't give any one (specifically, any non-senior) the chance to break it.

 

As noted, this team has major, major issues breaking the press. Furthermore, Thelen was killing them down low, and his touches decreased significantly in the 2nd half. The Colonels have only 2 plays designated for big guys- the same 2 plays they had in 2005-2007- and they are extremely predictable. After Thelen killed them in the 1st quarter, they merely upped the pressure on the guards (specifically on the wing) and the Colonels could hardly get a shot off.

 

And before someone tells me, "How could Thelen not have had enough touches, he scored 20+?"- he probably only had 8 or 9 posts in the low post, and at least 6 of those came in the first quarter.

 

I love Coach L- but last night, it was clear that CCH was outcoached. St. X made adjustments, didn't turn the ball over as much (although I don't have the stats), set the tempo, and made their free throws. CovCath didn't do any of those things.

nice pics Panda. Looked like a physical contest. Looks like 33 from X has some hops. Looked liked everyone else was nailed to the floor

 

33 had speed, he killed CCH in the press with steal after steal on lazy passes. And yes I guess speed usually equals hops!

 

Notice how he doesn't even touch the floor when he walks!

 

^ Wow cch5432. Nice summary. Sounds like CovCath has a lot to work on.

^ Wow cch5432. Nice summary. Sounds like CovCath has a lot to work on.

 

Absolutely. This team is deep, talented, and has plenty of senior leadership. A high ceiling, but plenty of work to do.

Absolutely. This team is deep, talented, and has plenty of senior leadership. A high ceiling, but plenty of work to do.

 

But other than Wellbrock who has any real Varsity experience? There might be a lot of senior on this team but they don't have much Varsity experience on the floor!

But other than Wellbrock who has any real Varsity experience? There might be a lot of senior on this team but they don't have much Varsity experience on the floor!

True...which leads to another gripe of mine with Coach L's- an unwillingness to cut people beyond their sophomore year. In the last 4 years, here are how many seniors have been around:

 

Class of 2006: 6

Class of 2007: 4 (but a player quit and a player transferred after junior season)

Class of 2008: 5

Class of 2009: 6

Class of 2010: 7

Class of 2011 (current juniors): 8

 

So, we have all these kids who have put a ton of time to the program, but haven't done much on the varsity level. It takes time to adjust to the Varsity level, and CovCath has benefited when players start early at Varsity- top players in recent years such as Nestheide, B. Votel, Tierney, Jacobs, Bovard, Maile were 2-year starters (and all played Varsity their sophomore years).

 

Ironically, the senior-heavy rosters, I think, is a result of the success of the 2004 team with 6 seniors, but that class was unique in talent and depth. But that team was also experienced, and in order to do that, you have to cut some fairly talented kids, so the best ones can excel. It sucks, but it is for the best of the program.

Absolutely. This team is deep, talented, and has plenty of senior leadership. A high ceiling, but plenty of work to do.

I'd like you to review the senior leadership shown on the floor last night because I did not see any. The only leader between JV and Varsity that I saw was Brett Riedinger. He's the General out there and the best shooter in the program. I'd give him a shot to play. In your previous post you mentioned major problems breaking the press, but a much bigger problem is this team has major problems with lack of respect for their coaches. This dates back starting in 2006 and the class of 2007 was one of the worst. A scene on the team bus after a St. Henry loss comes to mind. The disrespect happens over and over and the coaches have to address it. As long as this team talks back to coach, refuses to acknowledge the coaches coming out of the game, walking to and from the court for time outs it's going to lose most of the time. I thought this team was going to be different. I was wrong. I have never in my 31 years watching high school basketball seen a coach treated so disrespectively and they do it to a guy that tries so hard to be liked by his players.

I'd like you to review the senior leadership shown on the floor last night because I did not see any. The only leader between JV and Varsity that I saw was Brett Riedinger. He's the General out there and the best shooter in the program. I'd give him a shot to play. In your previous post you mentioned major problems breaking the press, but a much bigger problem is this team has major problems with lack of respect for their coaches. This dates back starting in 2006 and the class of 2007 was one of the worst. A scene on the team bus after a St. Henry loss comes to mind. The disrespect happens over and over and the coaches have to address it. As long as this team talks back to coach, refuses to acknowledge the coaches coming out of the game, walking to and from the court for time outs it's going to lose most of the time. I thought this team was going to be different. I was wrong. I have never in my 31 years watching high school basketball seen a coach treated so disrespectively and they do it to a guy that tries so hard to be liked by his players.

Perhaps "senior leadership" was the wrong term. All I meant to illustrate is that this team isn't young, although, as noted, they aren't experienced at the varsity level. PM me about the "scene on the bus."

The issue at CCH as of right now is the guard play. Thelen is carrying the load and Wellbrock is the only one helping. Evans and Wilson seem to be the only ones who have stepped up scoring wise here and there but nothing is consistent.

 

IMO, the reason CCH has been declining is due to player development. The two leading scorers and most productive players for CCH this year are Thelen and Wellbrock both of which play AAU for Shining Stars. If you look at the rest of the roster I'm not so sure any of them play any AAU ball at all. Evans has but then again this is his first year playing on the High School team.

 

Now if you look at players such as Votel, Nestheide, Tierney, Grimes, Jacobs, Shover, Shmerge, and Bondick are all players who played aau and focused mainly on basketball. (Maile exception but just a gifted athlete and Bovard played football but also ended up playing college basketball) They were dedicated to getting better and most went on to play college and if not had the opportunity too. Look at this years team...Thelen is the only candidate for college ball and Wellbrock possibly.

 

The talent level, imo, has significantly dropped off. And when you don't have the talent you have to find ways to get around that. However, I think the player development by the coaching staff is poor because really Coach L never had to deal with this issue. He was blessed to have some really good players throughout his years at CCH and now he is in a situation where he just doesn't have those players. CCH year after year would just reload but that just hasn't been the case of late.

 

I agree with CCH5432 about getting more experience when they players are younger but the problem is that there isn't a competition for starting spots anymore. It's more of a situation where Coach L doesn't really know who to start or who to play and there really hasn't been a set group of individuals who play consistently. Some games Wilson others Huedepol. Some games Klein others Robinson. It seemed as in the years past CCH always had some good players coming up through the system who were competing for varsity spots and then when the seniors graduated they reloaded with those guys. Now you look at the roster and I'm not so sure any soph's dress, maybe 1 a game??

 

Also, who is the floor general at CCH? Coach L has always been a guard motivated coach as CCh5432 as pointed out several times, haha. If you look at past successful teams they always had a solid guard or two to lead them. Nestheide, Kennedy. Tierney, Jacobs, Bovard. Shover, Bondick.

There is no one out there really taking charge and there isn't really anyone who Coach L has given the ball and trusted him with it.

I'd like you to review the senior leadership shown on the floor last night because I did not see any. The only leader between JV and Varsity that I saw was Brett Riedinger. He's the General out there and the best shooter in the program. I'd give him a shot to play. In your previous post you mentioned major problems breaking the press, but a much bigger problem is this team has major problems with lack of respect for their coaches. This dates back starting in 2006 and the class of 2007 was one of the worst. A scene on the team bus after a St. Henry loss comes to mind. The disrespect happens over and over and the coaches have to address it. As long as this team talks back to coach, refuses to acknowledge the coaches coming out of the game, walking to and from the court for time outs it's going to lose most of the time. I thought this team was going to be different. I was wrong. I have never in my 31 years watching high school basketball seen a coach treated so disrespectively and they do it to a guy that tries so hard to be liked by his players.

 

I completely agree with the lack of respect for the coach. It's embarrassing to the School, Basketball Program, Coach, and Individual. There is no reason for that however once it began in that class of 06 to 07 it hasn't stopped.

I think the punishment for these occurrences needs to happen. Even if it means sitting a kid for a game. The message needs to be sent that you can't represent the program in that manner.

Sounds like trouble in Park Hills again. First it was the football team over the past couple years and now the basketball squad. Could it be that maybe the talent pool is just down across the board?

I completely agree with the lack of respect for the coach. It's embarrassing to the School, Basketball Program, Coach, and Individual. There is no reason for that however once it began in that class of 06 to 07 it hasn't stopped.

I think the punishment for these occurrences needs to happen. Even if it means sitting a kid for a game. The message needs to be sent that you can't represent the program in that manner.

 

I can't believe what I am reading here. Coach L was pretty hardcore back in the day. I can't imagine a player showing him disrespect