So are they entitled to home phones? If so, why?

 

Nope. Don't think people are entitled to those either.

I guess that depends on how you look at it. But, let's just take one scenario, aside from public safety:

 

These days, no one walks in, applies, interviews and is given a job "on the spot". However, in order to be called back, one needs a contact phone number. I highly doubt an emplyoyer is going to snail-mail you a request for a second interview, or a job offer.

 

So, in this one single scenario, if you want someone to get to the point where they aren't eligible for such benefits, it would seem that the public's financial interest in getting said person a phone so they can get a job.

 

There are many others.

 

It is really easy to paint all kinds of scenarios where people need this or people need that.

 

But the flip side is, if you give them enough, they don't need to go out and get to the point where they don't need such benefits because they have what they need and don't have to work for it.

 

If someone needs a hand, give them a hand. But stop creating a way of life.

 

A phone is not a necessity.

It is really easy to paint all kinds of scenarios where people need this or people need that.

 

But the flip side is, if you give them enough, they don't need to go out and get to the point where they don't need such benefits because they have what they need and don't have to work for it.

 

If someone needs a hand, give them a hand. But stop creating a way of life.

 

A phone is not a necessity.

 

 

Sure it's easy to do so. I've actually lived without a phone, with 2 kids under 5, and no car. Believe me, when one of them wakes up in the middle of the night with a raging fever, it's not so much fun to pack them up and go a block or two to the pay phone to call someone and then back to the house to wait while that person gets there to help you take them to the ER.

 

I've also been without a phone while job hunting. I missed several great opportunities because I didn't get the messages left at friends' numbers.

 

Both scenarios were before cell phones. But I can tell you, I would consider a phone a necessity.

 

It's really easy to dismiss anything until you have had to live the life.

 

You're one of the biggest critics of people who receive aid of any kind. Yet, here's something that COULD enable someone to possibly get a job, and eventually NOT be in need of aid, and you categorically dismiss it as unnecessary.

I guess that depends on how you look at it. But, let's just take one scenario, aside from public safety:

 

These days, no one walks in, applies, interviews and is given a job "on the spot". However, in order to be called back, one needs a contact phone number. I highly doubt an emplyoyer is going to snail-mail you a request for a second interview, or a job offer.

 

So, in this one single scenario, if you want someone to get to the point where they aren't eligible for such benefits, it would seem that the public's financial interest in getting said person a phone so they can get a job.

 

There are many others.

 

I agree, but how many people are actually using it for this purpose? I know this is a talking point, but poor people in our country are fat, have cell phones, and own big screens. At some point we have to quit giving out all of this money to people that don't work for it. As kids who grow up in these environments are raised they are raised to stick their hand out and expect everything to be given to them. I have no problem helping people who need it and use it for the right reasons. For everyone else I really wish they were cut off no matter the circumstances.

I don't think I have a problem with this as long as the minutes are very, very low and it is a short term program.

 

Anything that moves a person OFF government aid and into the work world is a good thing.

 

If someone needs a hand, give them a hand. But stop creating a way of life.

 

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RM's example is exactly that. The link I provided says its limited to 68 minutes per month and only for one year. Hardly excessive and not going to be abused.

Sure it's easy to do so. I've actually lived without a phone, with 2 kids under 5, and no car. Believe me, when one of them wakes up in the middle of the night with a raging fever, it's not so much fun to pack them up and go a block or two to the pay phone to call someone and then back to the house to wait while that person gets there to help you take them to the ER.

 

I've also been without a phone while job hunting. I missed several great opportunities because I didn't get the messages left at friends' numbers.

 

Both scenarios were before cell phones. But I can tell you, I would consider a phone a necessity.

 

It's really easy to dismiss anything until you have had to live the life.

 

You're one of the biggest critics of people who receive aid of any kind. Yet, here's something that COULD enable someone to possibly get a job, and eventually NOT be in need of aid, and you categorically dismiss it as unnecessary.

 

I came from nothing to where I am.

 

Born in Eastern Kentucky.

 

First person in the history of my family to go to college. Worked my way through. Paid for it all myself and made myself what I am. Please don't proceed to lecture me about something. When you know nothing about me.

 

And yes I am a critic of people who expect to be given something for nothing.

I came from nothing to where I am.

 

Born in Eastern Kentucky.

 

First person in the history of my family to go to college. Worked my way through. Paid for it all myself and made myself what I am. Please don't proceed to lecture me about something. When you know nothing about me.

 

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Congrats.

 

So?

I came from nothing to where I am.

 

Born in Eastern Kentucky.

 

First person in the history of my family to go to college. Worked my way through. Paid for it all myself and made myself what I am. Please don't proceed to lecture me about something. When you know nothing about me.

 

And yes I am a critic of people who expect to be given something for nothing.

 

Where is the lecture you're speaking of?

Congrats.

 

So?

 

You missed part of the quote.

 

And yes I am a critic of people who expect to be given something for nothing.

 

Don't believe I was responding to you but since you asked.

 

SO?

 

Don't lecture me like you've done without and had it so hard and act like I was born priviledged.

 

It sickens me to see the people born in this country. With all of the opportunities that come with being born in this country. Act as if this country somehow owes them.

Where is the lecture you're speaking of?

 

Read the quote I responded to.

You missed part of the quote.

 

 

 

Don't believe I was responding to you but since you asked.

 

SO?

 

Don't lecture me like you've done without and had it so hard and act like I was born priviledged.

 

It sickens me to see the people born in this country. With all of the priviledges that come with being born in this country. Act as if this country somehow owes them.

 

The politicians having been telling them for years that they are owed something so that they would vote for them. And we are too stupid enough to not see it for what a lie it is. What else do you think they would believe?

Read the quote I responded to.

 

I did. Where is the lecture?

The politicians having been telling them for years that they are owed something so that they would vote for them. And we are too stupid enough to not see it for what a lie it is. What else do you think they would believe?

 

Yep, and it's sad that it has become that way.

You missed part of the quote.

 

 

 

Don't believe I was responding to you but since you asked.

 

SO?

 

Don't lecture me like you've done without and had it so hard and act like I was born priviledged.

 

It sickens me to see the people born in this country. With all of the opportunities that come with being born in this country. Act as if this country somehow owes them.

 

You're just looking for an argument at this point. Nobody is lecturing anybody, it's just a conversation.

 

It's wonderful that you made it through college on your own and never took anything from anyone -- Seriously... But would you not have appreciated just a little bit of help? You don't need the world given to you, but just a helping hand here and there can go a long way.

 

My stepfather was in an accident at work around the same time that he was also in a car accident. He has since been left unable to work any longer. Workers' compensation doctors and lawyers say that his injuries were the result of his car accident and stopped paying him after a short while. The doctors and lawyers involved in the car accident case argue that his injuries were the result of the work accident, so that one is still hung up in trial... It has been a major catch-22. Thankfully, they've been able to receive government assistance to get food stamps among other programs. They also get the Lifeline credit on the home phone which helps with the constant scheduling of doctors and lawyers while this mess is straightened out. I am financially giving everything I can so they can continue supporting my 2 young brothers (14 and 2) while continuing to feed themselves. I'm just glad that they get some assistance, because otherwise they may not be able to eat and keep the roof over their heads.

 

Should we stop donating our clothes to charity because those who need them should work to buy them new? Stop having toy drives for children because unfortunately their parents can't afford them so they shouldn't have any opportunities to play? Toys aren't necessities, right?

 

What sickens me is when people scoff at any opportunity to help someone else, simply because that opportunity was not present for them. Someone getting 68 minutes on a cell phone per month does not hurt me in the slightest, and I doubt it does you either.

Edited November 4, 200916 yr by Hangman