Read it here....

 

 

 

 

Thoughts?

"...When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

 

Interesting comment in a general sense and not so much because Jeb Bush said it.

 

There are two groups of people regarding this election...and those groups can be sub-divided further...

 

1. Those who have enough sense to know that actions are more important than words. Thus, they knew exactly what Obama's agenda would be based on his actions.

 

2. Those who are too lazy, naive or gullible to figure out that politicians say what will get them elected. If you want to know what they'll actually do, their history will tell you that more than empty campaign promises aimed at winning an election.

 

Group 1 would largely consist of conservative types who knew what Obama would do and didn't want it, and liberal types who knew what he would do and did want it.

 

Group 2 would probably be more undecideds and moderates. Its the contingent in this group that voted for Obama but don't support him now that gets to me...they claim they were lied to and he hasn't done what he said...yet, they're the ones foolish enough to ignore the man's track record and believe a bunch of campaign rhetoric. Hopefully, they'll at least learn enough from this election to cast their vote based on history and not empty speech. I have no problem with people who voted for Obama under the correct assumption that he would govern more liberally, but for those that are too stupid to actually study the candidates history and actions and give it the proper weight...please. Spare me, because I don't want to hear it.

 

OK. My rant is over.

Here we go.... another Bush making plans to run for the Oval Office.

 

A Bush talking about telling the truth. Seems kind of funny.

 

Bush 1 - lied about Iran & Ollie North

 

Bush 2 - lied about Iraq

 

Bush 3 - Looks like someone that lies.

Here we go.... another Bush making plans to run for the Oval Office.

 

A Bush talking about telling the truth. Seems kind of funny.

 

Bush 1 - lied about Iran & Ollie North

 

Bush 2 - lied about Iraq

 

Bush 3 - Looks like someone that lies.

 

 

This has nothing to do with Bush 1 or Bush 2....

"...When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

 

Interesting comment in a general sense and not so much because Jeb Bush said it.

 

There are two groups of people regarding this election...and those groups can be sub-divided further...

 

1. Those who have enough sense to know that actions are more important than words. Thus, they knew exactly what Obama's agenda would be based on his actions.

 

2. Those who are too lazy, naive or gullible to figure out that politicians say what will get them elected. If you want to know what they'll actually do, their history will tell you that more than empty campaign promises aimed at winning an election.

 

Group 1 would largely consist of conservative types who knew what Obama would do and didn't want it, and liberal types who knew what he would do and did want it.

 

Group 2 would probably be more undecideds and moderates. Its the contingent in this group that voted for Obama but don't support him now that gets to me...they claim they were lied to and he hasn't done what he said...yet, they're the ones foolish enough to ignore the man's track record and believe a bunch of campaign rhetoric. Hopefully, they'll at least learn enough from this election to cast their vote based on history and not empty speech. I have no problem with people who voted for Obama under the correct assumption that he would govern more liberally, but for those that are too stupid to actually study the candidates history and actions and give it the proper weight...please. Spare me, because I don't want to hear it.

 

OK. My rant is over.

 

There are certainly more than two groups.

"...When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

 

Interesting comment in a general sense and not so much because Jeb Bush said it.

 

There are two groups of people regarding this election...and those groups can be sub-divided further...

 

1. Those who have enough sense to know that actions are more important than words. Thus, they knew exactly what Obama's agenda would be based on his actions.

 

2. Those who are too lazy, naive or gullible to figure out that politicians say what will get them elected. If you want to know what they'll actually do, their history will tell you that more than empty campaign promises aimed at winning an election.

 

Group 1 would largely consist of conservative types who knew what Obama would do and didn't want it, and liberal types who knew what he would do and did want it.

 

Group 2 would probably be more undecideds and moderates. Its the contingent in this group that voted for Obama but don't support him now that gets to me...they claim they were lied to and he hasn't done what he said...yet, they're the ones foolish enough to ignore the man's track record and believe a bunch of campaign rhetoric. Hopefully, they'll at least learn enough from this election to cast their vote based on history and not empty speech. I have no problem with people who voted for Obama under the correct assumption that he would govern more liberally, but for those that are too stupid to actually study the candidates history and actions and give it the proper weight...please. Spare me, because I don't want to hear it.

 

OK. My rant is over.

 

 

Agree 100% with everything. :thumb:

Its the contingent in this group that voted for Obama but don't support him now that gets to me...they claim they were lied to and he hasn't done what he said...yet, they're the ones foolish enough to ignore the man's track record and believe a bunch of campaign rhetoric.

I'm not accusing you of lying, but is there a large group of this type that you've encountered? Basically, what I've seen is that those who supported President Obama wholeheartedly support him now, and those who opposed President Obama wholeheartedly oppose him now, with the actions of our President being largely irrelevant as a barometer for their support/opposition.

I'm not accusing you of lying, but is there a large group of this type that you've encountered? Basically, what I've seen is that those who supported President Obama wholeheartedly support him now, and those who opposed President Obama wholeheartedly oppose him now, with the actions of our President being largely irrelevant as a barometer for their support/opposition.

 

Not a large sample, but the 4 or 5 people I know that actually voted for Obama are livid by what he's done thus far....2 of them are mad at themselves for actually falling for his act.

Not a large sample, but the 4 or 5 people I know that actually voted for Obama are livid by what he's done thus far....2 of them are mad at themselves for actually falling for his act.

Interesting. Anyone else had similar experiences?

Interesting. Anyone else had similar experiences?

 

I work at a place that is roughly 4-1 Dem to Rep. I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 in 10 of the people I know who voted for him wish they hadn't, and many others are worried about Cap & Trade and healthcare benefits being taxed as income.

 

Personally, I think if he pushes to tax healthcare benefits as income. He has zero chance of getting re-elected.

I'm not accusing you of lying...

 

I would hope not.

Interesting. Anyone else had similar experiences?

 

Me. UKMF's story sounds pretty close to mine. I certainly wouldn't have made it up.

 

As I said, those who knew what to expect based on his track record are getting exactly what they expected. They haven't flip flopped.

 

But, the gullible, naive people that I referenced, who fell for the act hook, line and sinker, really wear on me...I find it disingenuous to hear them claim that he lied and they didn't expect this. Every sign other than campaign rhetoric pointed toward Obama being exactly what he is. I believe those people got caught up in the "rock star" tour of Obama, ignored logic and reason and voted for a man they wouldn't have in a million years otherwise. And, now they don't want to admit their foolishness.

 

I have no idea how many people fit this description...only that I have encountered more than a couple.

Thanks. I wasn't accusing anyone of deception, I just haven't had that experience. I guess it is a good thing to know that people are coming to their senses.

I'm just curious as to what specifically he's doing that is radically different from his campaign platform. I have my issues with transparency and a few other pledges, but from my analysis he's been doing a lot more talking than doing, leading me to believe that the liberals who voted for him in earnest are still waiting on those policies.

I'm just curious as to what specifically he's doing that is radically different from his campaign platform. I have my issues with transparency and a few other pledges, but from my analysis he's been doing a lot more talking than doing, leading me to believe that the liberals who voted for him in earnest are still waiting on those policies.

 

I think I'm agreeing w/ you, but if in a few months there there are transparency and a few other pledges that's pretty many. Some of the things that he and other Dems have said or proposed are different than what he pledged but they all do different things than they pledge. One of which is taxing benefits after hammering McCain for suggesting it. It hasn't happened yet but he's open to it.