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As President Obama's Supreme Court nominee comes under heavy fire for allegedly being a "racist," Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza, (The Race) a group that's promoted driver's licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police. And who's motto is: "For the Race Everything. For others, NOTHING."

 

According the American Bar Association, Sotomayor is a member of the NCLR, which bills itself as the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S.

 

Meaning "the Race," La Raza also has connections to groups that advocate the separation of several southwestern states from the rest of America.

 

Over the past two days, Sotomayor has been heavily criticized for her racially charged statement: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

 

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99420

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99420

 

It seems to be factually incorrect.

 

The name , according to the organization, does not translate to or mean "the race." It translates to "the people" or "the community."

 

They also say they've never used or condoned the "for the race everything" line.

 

They also say they fully respect this country's right to control its borders.

 

Other than that....

It seems to be factually incorrect.

 

The name , according to the organization, does not translate to or mean "the race." It translates to "the people" or "the community."

 

They also say they've never used or condoned the "for the race everything" line.

 

They also say they fully respect this country's right to control its borders.

 

Other than that....

 

Thank you for the corrections. I was hesitant in posting it because of the source but did so to get correct information, as always someone on here comes through.:thumb:

It seems to be factually incorrect.

 

The name , according to the organization, does not translate to or mean "the race." It translates to "the people" or "the community."

 

They also say they've never used or condoned the "for the race everything" line.

 

They also say they fully respect this country's right to control its borders.

 

Other than that....

 

According to freetranslation.com, worldlingo.com, and my son who spent a semester abroad in Spain and just graduated two weeks ago from UK with a minor in Spanish 'la raza' translates to 'the race'.

wikipedia says it literally translates to 'the race'.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza

According to freetranslation.com, worldlingo.com, and my son who spent a semester abroad in Spain and just graduated two weeks ago from UK with a minor in Spanish 'la raza' translates to 'the race'.

 

My linguistics expert agrees.

According to freetranslation.com, worldlingo.com, and my son who spent a semester abroad in Spain and just graduated two weeks ago from UK with a minor in Spanish 'la raza' translates to 'the race'.

 

Your son is one of my favorite kids. However, I would ask him if its possible that there is more than one translation. Could it mean "the race?" Yes.

 

However, it also means "the people" or "the community."

 

http://www.nclr.org/section/translation/

Not sure if anyone will read, but I went to their website for more info:

 

Home > About NCLR

 

 

• Detailed History
• 40th Anniversary
  

The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) – the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans. Through its network of nearly 300 affiliated community-based organizations (CBOs), NCLR reaches millions of Hispanics each year in 41 states, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. To achieve its mission, NCLR conducts applied research, policy analysis, and advocacy, providing a Latino perspective in five key areas – assets/investments, civil rights/immigration, education, employment and economic status, and health. In addition, it provides capacity-building assistance to its Affiliates who work at the state and local level to advance opportunities for individuals and families. Founded in 1968, NCLR is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan, tax-exempt organization headquartered in Washington, DC. NCLR serves all Hispanic subgroups in all regions of the country and has operations in Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix, Sacramento, San Antonio, and San Juan, Puerto Rico. For more information on the formation of NCLR/NCLR’s history please visit:

Not sure if anyone will read, but I went to their website for more info:

 

Home > About NCLR

 

 

• Detailed History
• 40th Anniversary
  

The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) – the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans. Through its network of nearly 300 affiliated community-based organizations (CBOs), NCLR reaches millions of Hispanics each year in 41 states, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. To achieve its mission, NCLR conducts applied research, policy analysis, and advocacy, providing a Latino perspective in five key areas – assets/investments, civil rights/immigration, education, employment and economic status, and health. In addition, it provides capacity-building assistance to its Affiliates who work at the state and local level to advance opportunities for individuals and families. Founded in 1968, NCLR is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan, tax-exempt organization headquartered in Washington, DC. NCLR serves all Hispanic subgroups in all regions of the country and has operations in Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix, Sacramento, San Antonio, and San Juan, Puerto Rico. For more information on the formation of NCLR/NCLR’s history please visit:

 

I'm not saying it does, but could this make her look like an activist?

Some info:

 

The Translation of Our Name: National Council of La Raza

Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

 

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

 

And this is not just NCLR’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:

 

“…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”

 

Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:

 

“Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”

 

The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:

 

“…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”

Some info:

 

The Translation of Our Name: National Council of La Raza

Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

 

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

 

And this is not just NCLR’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:

 

“…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”

 

Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:

 

“Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”

 

The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:

 

“…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”

 

I translate this into NCLR knows that emphasizing the word 'race' in English could have some negative connotations so they simply re-define how to translate 'la raza' to suit their purposes. (Paging a Mr. Orwell, a Mr George Orwell.....)

 

Literally 'la raza' translates to 'the race'. That is simply a fact. If La Raza wanted to emphasize that they chose that name as a shorthand for 'The ethnically Hispanic Community' I think I would let that pass. However, saying that 'La Raza' just means 'the people' or 'the community' in English is clearly wrong. The words 'people' and 'community' in English do not in anyway carry with it the specific ethnic connotation that 'la raza' does in Spanish. I do agree that 'race' in English and 'la raza' have slightly different connotations. 'la raza' in Spanish emphasizes ethnicity to a greater degree than race does in English. But to say that those who translate 'la raza' to mean 'race' are wrong leads me to believe that the lady doth protest too much.

I translate this into NCLR knows that emphasizing the word 'race' in English could have some negative connotations so they simply re-define how to translate 'la raza' to suit their purposes. (Paging a Mr. Orwell, a Mr George Orwell.....)

 

Literally 'la raza' translates to 'the race'. That is simply a fact. If La Raza wanted to emphasize that they chose that name as a shorthand for 'The ethnically Hispanic Community' I think I would let that pass. However, saying that 'La Raza' just means 'the people' or 'the community' in English is clearly wrong. The words 'people' and 'community' in English do not in anyway carry with it the specific ethnic connotation that 'la raza' does in Spanish. I do agree that 'race' in English and 'la raza' have slightly different connotations. 'la raza' in Spanish emphasizes ethnicity to a greater degree than race does in English. But to say that those who translate 'la raza' to mean 'race' are wrong leads me to believe that the lady doth protest too much.

 

Interesting that you so emphatically state what is correct, or incorrect, in the use of a foreign word, by an organization who serves a different culture. Don't be offended, but your post is clearly indicative of the way that many Americans ignore the cultural subtexts & nuances, and project strict linguistic rules when translating to English. In a strict sense, maybe La Raza means race. However, it's obvious that there are broader contexts within which the word is used. Yet you have decided that that the explanations of several sources are "clearly wrong" (your words).

Interesting that you so emphatically state what is correct, or incorrect, in the use of a foreign word, by an organization who serves a different culture. Don't be offended, but your post is clearly indicative of the way that many Americans ignore the cultural subtexts & nuances, and project strict linguistic rules when translating to English. In a strict sense, maybe La Raza means race. However, it's obvious that there are broader contexts within which the word is used. Yet you have decided that that the explanations of several sources are "clearly wrong" (your words).

 

rockmom,

 

Do the words 'community' and 'people' in English have a specific racial or ethnic connotation? I say the answer to that question is a definite NO and anybody or any source who says otherwise is wrong. I also don't need any knowledge of any other culture to answer that question.

 

As far as ignoring cultural subtexts, isn't that exactly what La Raza is doing when they chose the name they chose?

Actually La Raza means the people or community.

I believe that Sotomayor will be confirmed.

 

I believe that this is a battle conservatives can not win and while I hope she is questioned agressively (and that the media doens't chant racism about her questioners) I ultimately think that they need to hold what little political sway they may have over the Obamacare battle that is looming.

 

I also believe that had a white male said that his life as a white male enhanced his qualifications to be a justise his nomination would have been pulled and the media would have made him out to be the most racist and sexist person ever to draw breath.

 

I believe that Sotomayer's comments show bigoted tendencies on her part.