It's not class envy, I would love to be in that class and if I were I wouldn't be belly aching about paying a 35% income tax. I obviously feel 35% is a fair figure.

 

The top ten percent of income earners pay around 1/3 of the income taxes. Can you tell me what percentage of the wealth in this country that they control?

 

Why do the righties insist on continuing to punish those who haven't been fourtunate enough to hit the genetic lottery or the educational environment to succeed. I know I know they should pull themselves up by their boot straps......

 

Top 1% pays about 40%

Top 10% pays about 71%

 

What is fair? I've said before, the rest of us are freeloaders. Why do the lefties insist on punishing hard work and achievement?

To be clear, I have no problem with the current progressive income tax whereby higher earners pay a larger percent in income tax. I do have a problem with people insisting that they are not paying their fair share.

To be clear, I have no problem with the current progressive income tax whereby higher earners pay a larger percent in income tax. I do have a problem with people insisting that they are not paying their fair share.

 

I would keep the brackets similar to what they are now but I would add another tier.

 

0-10k 10%

10-35k 15%

35-75k 25%

75-175k 28%

175-350k 33%

350-1mil 35%

above 1 mil 38%

 

Just my thoughts.

I might actually be convinced to go along with this if those that make 10K or less actually paid income taxes but they don't.

 

FWIW I favor a flat income tax rate that everyone pays annually (no withholding) with no deductions or credits whatsoever. If you make x dollars in a year then you pay y% of x dollars. I also favor increased use of use taxes (tolls, etc.)

If you really think that this is true further debate is a waste of time.....

 

 

To your series of questions IMO yes because they have more money. Our country is at its best when we have a strong middle class and everyone who WANTS to do good can. The government has to provide defense and other social services that have to be funded. If someone making 35k a year is taxed at 25% that means they are bringing home just over 25k a year and that is not even including health insurance premiums. Someone making 350k taxed at 35% brings home around 228k, so the precentage is higher but I'll think we can agree that the person making 350k can afford to feed and cloth a family a little easier with thier tax burden. By the way 350k is currently not even in the 35% income tax range and I don't know that I've ever even met anyone in that income bracket. I know you disagree but this is what I believe; I'm not a social darwinist.

So your saying that all kids in this country are not afforded the same opportunity at education?

So your saying that all kids in this country are not afforded the same opportunity at education?

 

 

I'd say that's accurate. Schools vary in quality, and ability to serve the challenged equally. So, I would say that no, they aren't all afforded the same opportunity.

 

As for post-secondary education, depending upon how you qualify the label "equal opportunity", there are many opportunities out of the economic reach of the "masses".

So your saying that all kids in this country are not afforded the same opportunity at education?

 

That is exactly what I am saying.

I'd say that's accurate. Schools vary in quality, and ability to serve the challenged equally. So, I would say that no, they aren't all afforded the same opportunity.

 

As for post-secondary education, depending upon how you qualify the label "equal opportunity", there are many opportunities out of the economic reach of the "masses".

 

You have said before that you were one of the "masses," and yet your child was a student at Trinity, which I will deign to say is in the top 5% of schools nationally. How did you accomplish that?

You have said before that you were one of the "masses," and yet your child was a student at Trinity, which I will deign to say is in the top 5% of schools nationally. How did you accomplish that?

 

 

I worked two jobs, my kids worked jobs, we didn't take vacations, I never bought a house, and I've never owned a car newer than 10 years old. We didn't have cable, didn't eat out much, didn't go to movies. I shopped at thrift stores and some months, robbed peter to pay paul to pay bills. I have no savings and no 401K. Is that the American dream?

I worked two jobs, my kids worked jobs, we didn't take vacations, I never bought a house, and I've never owned a car newer than 10 years old. We didn't have cable, didn't eat out much, didn't go to movies. I shopped at thrift stores and some months, robbed peter to pay paul to pay bills. I have no savings and no 401K. Is that the American dream?

 

It is, if your dream in your situation was for your kid to go to Trinity. In fact, your conservation and work ethic is to be applauded, and it makes every point made by woodsrider true. (In fact, since I knew all of this, I kind of pitched you the softball to set you up for the compliment:D).

 

You cannot tell me that you believe that it should be the baseline in America that every American have a house, a new car, cable TV, a vacation and a night out every so often, enough spending green to shop at the regular priced stores every once in a while, a little put aside for savings, AND be able to send their kid to a school the quality of Trinity?

 

Is that what you contend every American should have the RIGHT to?

It is, if your dream in your situation was for your kid to go to Trinity. In fact, your conservation and work ethic is to be applauded, and it makes every point made by woodsrider true. (In fact, since I knew all of this, I kind of pitched you the softball to set you up for the compliment:D).

 

You cannot tell me that you believe that it should be the baseline in America that every American have a house, a new car, cable TV, a vacation and a night out every so often, enough spending green to shop at the regular priced stores every once in a while, a little put aside for savings, AND be able to send their kid to a school the quality of Trinity?

 

Is that what you contend every American should have the RIGHT to?

 

I made my choice and chose to PAY for my kids to go to school. It's not an option for all, for many reasons. I was fortunate enough to have a decent paying first job, hours that allowed me to work a second job, and a second job that paid me well, and provided tangent benefits that lowered other costs for me.

 

In some areas, public school is the only option. But to say that all public schools are equal is disingenuous at best. Therefore, I stand by my premise that all do not have equal opportunity in education.

 

Thanks for the compliment, though I really don't think it's deserved. Many have told me how stupid I was for the choice I made.

I made my choice and chose to PAY for my kids to go to school. It's not an option for all, for many reasons. I was fortunate enough to have a decent paying first job, hours that allowed me to work a second job, and a second job that paid me well, and provided tangent benefits that lowered other costs for me.

 

In some areas, public school is the only option. But to say that all public schools are equal is disingenuous at best. Therefore, I stand by my premise that all do not have equal opportunity in education.

 

Thanks for the compliment, though I really don't think it's deserved. Many have told me how stupid I was for the choice I made.

 

Your son is proof to the contrary.

I made my choice and chose to PAY for my kids to go to school. It's not an option for all, for many reasons. I was fortunate enough to have a decent paying first job, hours that allowed me to work a second job, and a second job that paid me well, and provided tangent benefits that lowered other costs for me.

 

In some areas, public school is the only option. But to say that all public schools are equal is disingenuous at best. Therefore, I stand by my premise that all do not have equal opportunity in education.

 

Thanks for the compliment, though I really don't think it's deserved. Many have told me how stupid I was for the choice I made.

 

And they are the one's that are way off base.

You prove yourself right, right of even Rush and Hannity everyday. I do disagree with you on just about everything politically which is a good place to be.

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You have no idea since you don't know me. No reason to get sore because you walked right into proving what we were talking about. Your comments were classic class envy, as you noticed I wasn't alone in that assessment.

Why do the righties insist on continuing to punish those who haven't been fourtunate enough to hit the genetic lottery or the educational environment to succeed. I know I know they should pull themselves up by their boot straps......

This is another perfect example. Never mind people worked hard to get where they are, let's call them lucky and "born" into it.