remmac Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I have been to over thirty games this year and cringe at the missed opportunities to take a charge. Do coaches not emphasize this enough or do kids not "get it" ? It is such a tremendous tool to change a game!
Slemac90 Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I think the problem is the officials reward the offensive player with the blocking call more so. So in a statistical sense you're more than likely to gain a foul if you try to set a charge.
Latch Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I think the problem is the officials reward the offensive player with the blocking call more so. So in a statistical sense you're more than likely to gain a foul if you try to set a charge. Really? I admittedly haven't been to a lot of games the last few years, but a couple of years ago I was frustrated that it seemed like 85% or higher of the block/charge calls were being called a charge. I was at a game where 6 charges were called and not one block. I can't be sure that they weren't all charges, but they were all questionable.
Clyde Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 It could also have something to do with the types of offenses teams are running. If they spread the floor out there are less defenders back to be in position to take a charge. Where teams could probably try to draw more would be in transition D. That's where I see them.
OL' TROJAN Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I think the problem is the officials reward the offensive player with the blocking call more so. So in a statistical sense you're more than likely to gain a foul if you try to set a charge. I think you are totally wrong on this issue. I have watched over 50 games this year. It seems that the kids just don't want to commit themselves to take a charge. And when they do they start falling or create the contact with their hands before the offense gets there. The game is alot different than it was even 10 years ago. kids just don't want to sacrifice their body like they use to.:irked: But I totally agree there are so many lost opportunities when they don't step up and take one for the team.:thumb:
Clyde Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 As far as seeing "questionable" charge calls, realize there are many myths about what is allowable by the defense. The one I hear the most is "it couldn't be a charge because the defender was moving."
OL' TROJAN Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 As far as seeing "questionable" charge calls, realize there are many myths about what is allowable by the defense. The one I hear the most is "it couldn't be a charge because the defender was moving." Clyde you are exactly right. In talking with several officials last year at the state tourney,some from the BBA and several gathered around from other regions,(7th,8th,9th,and 16th) I have always wondered how they determine the diference. I was told almost by everyone one of them, if you referee the DEFENSE and not the offensive player, it will tell you every time. I asked the question then, what about leaning or falling before contact? I was told then, that the defensive player must be square and not falling sideways or backwards when the contact is created. As far as being set, I was told, the defensive player must be in a legal guarding position and playing defense. This means laterally or moving backwards. If the offense creates the contact and shoves, displaces or runs over the defense it must be a charge.:thumb: I am sure the casual fan like myself is always watching the ball, BUT I have tried to watch more off ball action this year. and watch the defense more as they stated. It is amazing how different the game is actually when you watch off the ball.:ylsuper:
Chosen_One Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 The charge is one of the most important plays in basketball. It is a turnover for the other team, a foul, and a DEFINITE momentum booster. It is a lost art now-a-days.
5thIndian Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 Can someone post the charge/blocking foul rule? You got to have your feet set, cant move under player in the air, have to expect the D player to move into your path. I really dont know.
The Breeze Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I for one wish all levels would use the half-circle line like the NBA has IMO this would leave no doubt between a block and charge when the player is going to the basket.
The Professor Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I think you are totally wrong on this issue. I have watched over 50 games this year. It seems that the kids just don't want to commit themselves to take a charge. And when they do they start falling or create the contact with their hands before the offense gets there. The game is alot different than it was even 10 years ago. kids just don't want to sacrifice their body like they use to.:irked: But I totally agree there are so many lost opportunities when they don't step up and take one for the team.:thumb: On the part I have bolded, isn't that suppose to be a technical foul on the defensive player for 'faking a charge'? It's rarely called. I saw it called one time in my life, back in about 1982 at a high school game when our team played at Jackson City.
ballbrain Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I think you are totally wrong on this issue. I have watched over 50 games this year. It seems that the kids just don't want to commit themselves to take a charge. And when they do they start falling or create the contact with their hands before the offense gets there. The game is alot different than it was even 10 years ago. kids just don't want to sacrifice their body like they use to.:irked: But I totally agree there are so many lost opportunities when they don't step up and take one for the team.:thumb: You are exactly right OL' TROJAN, it hurts to take a charge! A lot of offensive minded players know this and are unafraid to go rampaging into the paint as a result, knowing they are unlikely to be confronted by a determined defensive player. Its' all about choices, choose to give ground ' and the basket ' and then run back up the court on offense like its' all part of the game. I hear coaches lighting up players all the time for their lack of comittment.
Jim Schue Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I have been to over thirty games this year and cringe at the missed opportunities to take a charge. Do coaches not emphasize this enough or do kids not "get it" ? It is such a tremendous tool to change a game! Some players have a good feel for it. Bardstown's Demarco Phillips has a great knack for it, and drew two key charges last night in an OT win over North Hardin.
Clyde Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I was told almost by everyone one of them, if you referee the DEFENSE and not the offensive player, it will tell you every time. Bingo.
Clyde Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I asked the question then, what about leaning or falling before contact? I was told then, that the defensive player must be square and not falling sideways or backwards when the contact is created. As far as being set, I was told, the defensive player must be in a legal guarding position and playing defense. This means laterally or moving backwards. If the offense creates the contact and shoves, displaces or runs over the defense it must be a charge.:thumb: I am sure the casual fan like myself is always watching the ball, BUT I have tried to watch more off ball action this year. and watch the defense more as they stated. It is amazing how different the game is actually when you watch off the ball.:ylsuper: Backwards is not a problem as far as I know. If the defender leans to the side after the shooter is airborne and if there is enough contact then it is a blocking foul.
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