Any, Any type of discrimnation is bad and needs to be eliminated . This is a good law that will end discrimination towards women . We dont live in Saudi Arabia we live in America !

Any, Any type of discrimnation is bad and needs to be eliminated . This is a good law that will end discrimination towards women . We dont live in Saudi Arabia we live in America !

 

One, no I am not sure all is bad nor should be eliminated.

 

If we would have practiced a financial strict policy that some would label as discriminatory in lending, this country would not be in as bad shape economically as we are.

 

I am not sure that a type of racial profiling doesn't save police officers lives.

 

We don't allow a person who immigrated into this country to run for President, ala Arnold. Is that wrong and should be eliminated?

 

There are certain areas that I am just not sure about.

 

Now, if we are talking about basic jobs that are denied or lower pay because of race and gender alone, ABSOLUTELY, I agree with you.

Totally disagree with your understanding. The wage gap between women and men cuts across a wide spectrum of occupations. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in 2007 female financial advisors earned 53.7% of the median weekly wages of male financial advisors, and women in sales occupations earned just 64.8% of men's wages in equivalent positions.

If working women earned the same as men (those who work the same number of hours; have the same education, age, and union status; and live in the same region of the country), their annual family incomes would rise by $4,000 and poverty rates would be cut in half.

Over the past 40 years the real median earnings of women have fallen short by an estimated $700,000 to $2 million. During a lifetime of full-time work (47 years) this gap amounts to an estimated loss in wages for women of $700,000for high school graduates, $1.2 million for a college graduate, and $2 million for a professional school graduate.

 

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763170.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193820.html

 

 

:thumb::thumb:

Curious if any of the female posters on here do not get paid the same as their male counteparts where they work?

 

 

I do not.

I do not.

 

I asked that you do not get paid the same. I worded that awkwardly as I look at your response because I can't tell what it means. 100% my fault on how I worded it.

 

Do you get paid the same as your male counterparts? If not, what is the official reason given?

OK, so you've pointed out that women in the financial advisor and sales occupations earn less than men in similar positions. However, isn't that their own fault. Those occupations are compensated mostly (if not totally) on a commission basis. Maybe they should get out there and bust their hump. I'm not arguing women should earn less, but you've got to provide other examples than these.

No problem just go to this link ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat39.txt

It will give you median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers data for men and for women in 200 occupations.

I am not sure that a type of racial profiling doesn't save police officers lives.

 

Which type is this? (Or do we need a new thread to discuss it?)

Any, Any type of discrimnation is bad and needs to be eliminated . This is a good law that will end discrimination towards women . We dont live in Saudi Arabia we live in America !

You are so correct KyTmcNcc. Simply pay workers according to the skill, effort, responsibility and working conditions of the job and not on the basis of who does it.

How about, it's fluff that will accomplish nothing except line the pockets of lawyers?

 

Winna Winna Chicken Dinna.

 

Makes more cases for me to sue about, and will make great money for the insurance defense lawyers who will clog the courts arguing the disparity comes from things like educational background, prior work experience, etc. etc.

 

I will say that the Obama Presidency is looking like a lawyer's wet dream.

To Kygirl, KyTMCNcc, RM, TB&G.....I hope you don't view me as misogynistic- but I simply am not buying this whole thing.

 

I really believe that the gap between male and female pay can be explained largely by completely understandable statistics.

 

For example, Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

 

Men accounted for 64 percent of injuries and illnesses and had an incidence rate of 134 per 10,000 workers, 22 percent higher than the rate for women (105 per 10,000 workers). Men typically work in jobs and industries that have higher rates than women.

 

I've also seen that ~95% of a deaths on the job are male. Also, women take time off to care for children- which, while unfortunate, certainly shows up a little in compensation.

 

I've also seen that a lot of the wage gap exists primarily in older workers (for obvious reasons) which means that many things that have been done are working well.

 

There is more that I will get back to later. Sorry that I can not right now.

To Kygirl, KyTMCNcc, RM, TB&G.....I hope you don't view me as misogynistic- but I simply am not buying this whole thing.

 

I really believe that the gap between male and female pay can be explained largely by completely understandable statistics.

 

For example, Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

 

Men accounted for 64 percent of injuries and illnesses and had an incidence rate of 134 per 10,000 workers, 22 percent higher than the rate for women (105 per 10,000 workers). Men typically work in jobs and industries that have higher rates than women.

 

I've also seen that ~95% of a deaths on the job are male. Also, women take time off to care for children- which, while unfortunate, certainly shows up a little in compensation.

 

I've also seen that a lot of the wage gap exists primarily in older workers (for obvious reasons) which means that many things that have been done are working well.

 

There is more that I will get back to later. Sorry that I can not right now.

 

Hey! How did I get involved in that part of the debate? :irked:

 

All that I know is that I work in a career that does include equal pay for males and females of comparable experience and education. I am a teacher.

On a side note. I believe the legislative/judical process worked the way it should have on this case. Congress passed a law. The Supreme Court read the law and interpreted the law as it was written. They did not interpret the law to achieve a result beneficial to a sympathetic figure like Ms Ledbetter. Congress then re-wrote the law to ensure that the Supreme Court could interpret the law in favor people in Ms Ledbetter's circumstances.

I see problems with the way that the pay rates are produced, however I've seen plenty of examples where women were shafted to believe that it really exists.

 

With that said, I have found in my life that people most often value a person at a level that is similar to the value that person sees in themselves. Women, for a great variety of reasons, often display a low level of self esteem and self worth. This, I believe, is a large part of why these disparities exist.

Winna Winna Chicken Dinna.

 

Makes more cases for me to sue about, and will make great money for the insurance defense lawyers who will clog the courts arguing the disparity comes from things like educational background, prior work experience, etc. etc.

 

I will say that the Obama Presidency is looking like a lawyer's wet dream.

 

 

In the 1960s, the same argument was used to oppose the passage of the Civil Rights Act. In the 1980s, it resurfaced again to fight the Americans with Disabilities Act. As a result of these two historic pieces of legislation, our workforce is more diverse. If workers have assurances that the pay system is fair, they will not need to seek remedies under the law.

cch5432 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're not female nor have you ever experienced discrimination based on gender. For you it is a myth but for me it is very real and personal.

 

Men accounted for 64 percent of injuries and illnesses and had an incidence rate of 134 per 10,000 workers, 22 percent higher than the rate for women (105 per 10,000 workers). Men typically work in jobs and industries that have higher rates than women.

With regard to physical strength and level of danger, we must acknowledge that women also work in hazardous and physically demanding jobs. Nursing exposes women to a variety of infectious diseases and requires lifting patients. For example, the Washington Post found that a nursing aide's risk of serious injury is higher than that of a coal minor or of steel mill workers (The Hazards of Elder Care October 31, 1999). Lifting and moving patients can lead to back injuries, and workplace assaults by patients are a major risk. Of all serious workplace assaults in private industry in 1997, nursing aides suffered 27 percent of the attacks, compared with seven percent for security guards.

 

I've also seen that ~95% of a deaths on the job are male. Also, women take time off to care for children- which, while unfortunate, certainly shows up a little in compensation.

In all my 30 working years there was only 1 death on the job, female. It is true that some women choose to take time out of the workforce to care for their loved ones. However, the majority of women do not make this choice: Department of Labor statistics show that 65% of women with children under age six (10,375,000) are in the labor force and more than half of them work full-time.

 

I've also seen that a lot of the wage gap exists primarily in older workers (for obvious reasons) which means that many things that have been done are working well.

This actually happened to me. I had been working in a hospital for 9 years and was registered in 2 different imaging modalities. They hired in a male right out of school not registered in anything making more money than me. I started looking for another job & left that hospital which was my only option. This happened to me in the 80's which was a real eye opener.