Reintroducing this thread since it is the beginning of a new season.

 

I have watched LOTS of basketball over many, many years. Yes, there is way too much dirty play! Period. Some of it initiated by the player themselves, i.e. that's just the type of player they are (sad to say, but it's true). But I have also personally heard coaches also instruct players to play dirty, such as, "If they have someone go in for a layup, I (the coach) want someone to take that player out". I could go on with comments I have heard.

 

Undercutting, nothing but dirty play.

Pulling jerseys, nothing but dirty play.

pushes in the back, especially in the paint on the low post, nothing but dirty play

could go on and on.

 

And I have to say, that sometimes what people may "persieve" as dirty play, is a response from a player, resulting from dirty play first initiated by a player on the other team. The officials don't always see what first initiated and caused a player to respond in a certain way. The officials aren't going to see it all.

 

 

 

The ONLY way this will stop is for the officials to get control and impose fouls on these players and coaches, if the official hears the coach.

 

So with the beginning of a new season, will anything change? Just have to wait and see.

 

The ONLY way this will stop is for the officials to get control and impose fouls on these players and coaches, if the official hears the coach.

 

So with the beginning of a new season, will anything change? Just have to wait and see.

 

So you want the official to call a foul if they hear a coach say something?

 

Give me an example.

So you want the official to call a foul if they hear a coach say something?

 

Give me an example.

 

There has to be something done to a coach for encouraging dirty play. That is my point. I suppose it could be a technical foul on the coach or the bench, just like they call for obscene language or unacceptable harrassing of the official.

 

If an official hears a coach say.."if they go in for a layup, take them out" or if

the coach says "take them out of the game", or undercut them on their move to the basket or on the rebound" yes there should most definitely be a technical foul assessed. Will the official ever hear this from a coach, probably not, i would think coaches are smarter than to say something like that within ear shot of an officialy. But as a spectator, i have heard it first hand.

 

I am frustrated with the dirty play. There should be some way of getting it under better control.

 

Any ideas?

 

This goes for the boys and the girls...i see it with both.

I have also heard such remarks from the stands.

Great points MOJO

Interesting. I've never once heard a coach say "take them out" or "undercut them." I find that hard to believe.

 

I have heard a coach (heck, I've said it) say "make them pay if they bring it inside." That simply means foul them hard. Is that dirty? Hardly unless , as you guys say, its an undercut situation.

Interesting. I've never once heard a coach say "take them out" or "undercut them." I find that hard to believe.

 

I have heard a coach (heck, I've said it) say "make them pay if they bring it inside." That simply means foul them hard. Is that dirty? Hardly unless , as you guys say, its an undercut situation.

 

Believe it...i have heard it. It is hard to imagine, but it occurs with some coaches. Thank goodness it is a very small minority, or at least i hope so. I understand the physical hard play you speak of...that's part of the game. No problem with that, if you suit up, expect the physical play. I have seen players end games with significant scratches and cuts on the hands, wrists and arms from dirty play and bruises in the back from being pushed and hit in the back with the opposing players fist all through the game (mainly with the inside the paint type players - the 4 and 5 positions). Not just physical play, but a hard forceful fist in the back. you may not agree, but to me, that is dirty play. I've seen the purposeful undercuts and others purposely trip or do other dirty play. Probably most of this is the players "idea", and the officials should address this appropriately.

 

Ask the players, they can tell you very quickly who the dirty players are within their region...can probably tell you who the coaches are that make these types of comments. I've heard it at the Middle School level also, which is really distrubing. Teaching that type of play at that age - it's not good nor appropriate.:cry:

I have seen entire team that was rough to borderline dirty. If an entire team plays that way then I think it is coached.

In the case of girls high school basketball in Kentucky, according to the way things now are, it's like this: Yes, "the meek shall inherit the earth" ... but I'm afraid they will not survive to win the big game when tournament time rolls around in March.

 

It's possible that those meek girls and teams may indeed get to Diddle Arena -- but they will be in the stands with popcorn and a soda pop in hand, watching the not-so-meek girls and teams go at it like gladiators down on the WKU hardwood. I'm not saying that this is right or the best way, but it seems to be just the way it is.

I have seen entire team that was rough to borderline dirty. If an entire team plays that way then I think it is coached.

 

I would agree. Especially pulling on the back of the Jersey when going up for the rebound. I think some teams probably have a drill for that at practice...

There has to be something done to a coach for encouraging dirty play. That is my point. I suppose it could be a technical foul on the coach or the bench, just like they call for obscene language or unacceptable harrassing of the official.

 

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I don't believe the officials can do anything in this case unless it also comes with obscenities.

There has to be something done to a coach for encouraging dirty play. That is my point. I suppose it could be a technical foul on the coach or the bench, just like they call for obscene language or unacceptable harrassing of the official.

 

If an official hears a coach say.."if they go in for a layup, take them out" or if

the coach says "take them out of the game", or undercut them on their move to the basket or on the rebound" yes there should most definitely be a technical foul assessed. Will the official ever hear this from a coach, probably not, i would think coaches are smarter than to say something like that within ear shot of an officialy. But as a spectator, i have heard it first hand.

 

I am frustrated with the dirty play. There should be some way of getting it under better control.

 

Any ideas?

 

This goes for the boys and the girls...i see it with both.

 

Unless you would propose to pay refs to monitor practices, there's really nothing they can do other than call the fouls they see on the floor. If they're letting stuff go, why shouldn't coaches and players take advantage?

In the case of girls high school basketball in Kentucky, according to the way things now are, it's like this: Yes, "the meek shall inherit the earth" ... but I'm afraid they will not survive to win the big game when tournament time rolls around in March.

 

It's possible that those meek girls and teams may indeed get to Diddle Arena -- but they will be in the stands with popcorn and a soda pop in hand, watching the not-so-meek girls and teams go at it like gladiators down on the WKU hardwood. I'm not saying that this is right or the best way, but it seems to be just the way it is.

 

I have heard from officials who have called in the state tourneys, that higher ups tell them to let the kids play and do not call stuff unless it is obvious and creates a distinct advantage.

Interesting. I've never once heard a coach say "take them out" or "undercut them." I find that hard to believe.

 

I have heard a coach (heck, I've said it) say "make them pay if they bring it inside." That simply means foul them hard. Is that dirty? Hardly unless , as you guys say, its an undercut situation.

 

Fouling hard isn't dirty, although nobody likes it. Obviously there are exceptions.

 

Fouling and letting them make the basket is bad basketball. You get 5 fouls - get your money's worth!

Big Slick, you have struck the magic cord, my friend! Officials with strong aspirations of advancing upward and onward to Diddle will not get to work the big dance if they inflate their whistles too often. This is often the case in region play, not only at the state tournament. My observations are that it is commonplace for tourney-time games to feature significantly fewer trips to the charity line than regular season and district tourney games.