In one of my first years of playing fantasy sports, which wasn't too long ago, relatively, I was right in the middle of some nasty drama. The league was comprised of a group of us who were all friends, saw each other every day kind of thing. We pooled some money, though not much. It was really the bragging rights we were after. Anyhow, the league commissioner prided himself on his baseball knowledge and relentlessly assaulted the rest of us with stats, history, records, etc. in order to convince us his team was better or why we should accept some sort of lopsided trade with him.

 

Throughout the season, I traded first place with him on a nearly weekly basis. I eventually began to pull away, as I had an indomitable pitching staff and my hitters were doing just enough. Now, a few of the guys had more or less quit, losing interest they never checked their rosters. Everyone knows them, they are starting three or four players who are injured with complete studs sitting on their bench. One day, the league manager makes a pretty odd trade, picking up a pair of nice pitchers from one of these teams that had quit paying attention. Incredulously, we all began hounding him about the legitimacy of the trade to which he, again, relentlessly threw stats and figures in our faces to tell us how fair the trade was and how he was getting the lesser end of the deal.

 

Not to be outdone, I approach the same guy who had quit paying attention and asked him to simply approve a trade request with him as he had done with the LM. I made out like a bandit, I picked up a couple of sluggers for some over the hill players like Palmeiro and Piazza and my weakest pitcher. Immediately, LM exercises his abilities as such and removes those players from my team and locks the other players roster. Now I've not only lost my unfair trade players, but the players I traded, and he doesn't do the same thing for his team. The message board lights up and we go at it for a few days before he gives me my original players back. He refused to do the same for his own team, though, keeping the unfairly acquired players arguing he had merely taken a gamble, which wasn't the case. It was pretty obvious, and the guy who didn't check his team admitted that he was just asked to accept a trade, the same as I had done.

 

This, of course, made everything more interesting as I really, really wanted LM to lose. I kept on winning, and LM kept right up with me as we began to enter the playoffs as the one and two seeds, respectively. We both cruised to the championship game where it appeared as though I would beat him. On the last day of the week, I had a nice lead and, so long as his players didn't blow up, I would win. I hopped on the computer after class on this day to check the updated scores and to my horror found that my score was nearly half of what it used to be and he had developed an absolute massive lead. Frantically, I checked my players' stats and realized that none of my pitching had counted. I was baffled. I ended up calling another friend and he noticed that some settings were changed. We put our heads together and discovered that the LM had modified the threshold for number of innings pitched required for scores to count.

 

Obviously, he made that threshold exactly the number of innings my pitchers through, so my scores wouldn't count. Again, furious, the message board lit up. LM had the audacity to defend his subversive manipulation of the scores, saying I had developed an unfair advantage since my pitchers had so few innings. Needless to say, it was a fantasy horror story. And the message board was so entertaining we would print it out and show it to each other during class. LM and I really tore into each other a few times.

 

Anyway, I guess this thread topic brought up my horror story, but also how much better it is to allow the players to vote on trades rather than the league manager. So, now, I always look at whether a trade would give a team an unfair, abnormal advantage, i.e. Piazza for Pujols, or whether a team had simply misjudged something and made a dumb trade.

I don't see anything wrong with what those two did. It does seem kind of stupid to me, in that they could have just drafted their teams normally and probably ended up with something very similar...maybe not. I'd let the trade go through...

 

On the other hand, I would definitely be upset if I were the guy who had a trade accepted, and then vetoed because the other guy not only changed his mind, but called the other owners in the league to get them to vote it down. That's much worse than the Moss/Peterson saga, IMO.

Is this a money league?

Is this a money league?

 

 

No, which is why I think most of us have finally just agreed to put it all behind us.

Are you allowed trading draft picks? If I were trading the number two overall pick and I wasn't allowed trading picks but still was going to make a trade I would get to control a couple of the other guys picks especially the 2nd and 4ht rounders and he would get the players I took in the 2nd and 4th round. So I see nothing wrong with it. Since there isn't money on the line who cares?

Are you allowed trading draft picks? If I were trading the number two overall pick and I wasn't allowed trading picks but still was going to make a trade I would get to control a couple of the other guys picks especially the 2nd and 4ht rounders and he would get the players I took in the 2nd and 4th round. So I see nothing wrong with it. Since there isn't money on the line who cares?

 

I was planning on trying that if I'd have drawn the first or second pick in my draft. I was going to offer the guy with the 4th or 5th pick to swap first rounders, along with swapping 2nd and 4th rounders, at the least. As it was, I drew #5 and it worked out well.

In one of my first years of playing fantasy sports, which wasn't too long ago, relatively, I was right in the middle of some nasty drama. The league was comprised of a group of us who were all friends, saw each other every day kind of thing. We pooled some money, though not much. It was really the bragging rights we were after. Anyhow, the league commissioner prided himself on his baseball knowledge and relentlessly assaulted the rest of us with stats, history, records, etc. in order to convince us his team was better or why we should accept some sort of lopsided trade with him.

 

Throughout the season, I traded first place with him on a nearly weekly basis. I eventually began to pull away, as I had an indomitable pitching staff and my hitters were doing just enough. Now, a few of the guys had more or less quit, losing interest they never checked their rosters. Everyone knows them, they are starting three or four players who are injured with complete studs sitting on their bench. One day, the league manager makes a pretty odd trade, picking up a pair of nice pitchers from one of these teams that had quit paying attention. Incredulously, we all began hounding him about the legitimacy of the trade to which he, again, relentlessly threw stats and figures in our faces to tell us how fair the trade was and how he was getting the lesser end of the deal.

 

Not to be outdone, I approach the same guy who had quit paying attention and asked him to simply approve a trade request with him as he had done with the LM. I made out like a bandit, I picked up a couple of sluggers for some over the hill players like Palmeiro and Piazza and my weakest pitcher. Immediately, LM exercises his abilities as such and removes those players from my team and locks the other players roster. Now I've not only lost my unfair trade players, but the players I traded, and he doesn't do the same thing for his team. The message board lights up and we go at it for a few days before he gives me my original players back. He refused to do the same for his own team, though, keeping the unfairly acquired players arguing he had merely taken a gamble, which wasn't the case. It was pretty obvious, and the guy who didn't check his team admitted that he was just asked to accept a trade, the same as I had done.

 

This, of course, made everything more interesting as I really, really wanted LM to lose. I kept on winning, and LM kept right up with me as we began to enter the playoffs as the one and two seeds, respectively. We both cruised to the championship game where it appeared as though I would beat him. On the last day of the week, I had a nice lead and, so long as his players didn't blow up, I would win. I hopped on the computer after class on this day to check the updated scores and to my horror found that my score was nearly half of what it used to be and he had developed an absolute massive lead. Frantically, I checked my players' stats and realized that none of my pitching had counted. I was baffled. I ended up calling another friend and he noticed that some settings were changed. We put our heads together and discovered that the LM had modified the threshold for number of innings pitched required for scores to count.

 

Obviously, he made that threshold exactly the number of innings my pitchers through, so my scores wouldn't count. Again, furious, the message board lit up. LM had the audacity to defend his subversive manipulation of the scores, saying I had developed an unfair advantage since my pitchers had so few innings. Needless to say, it was a fantasy horror story. And the message board was so entertaining we would print it out and show it to each other during class. LM and I really tore into each other a few times.

 

Anyway, I guess this thread topic brought up my horror story, but also how much better it is to allow the players to vote on trades rather than the league manager. So, now, I always look at whether a trade would give a team an unfair, abnormal advantage, i.e. Piazza for Pujols, or whether a team had simply misjudged something and made a dumb trade.

 

So what happened? I'd have beaten this dude!

You really should not let them trade. I bet their little plan messed up the whole balance of the draft and threw everyone else off.

 

Personally I think it is fun drafting your own team too see how good of a team you can put together.

 

Both their teams will be artificial teams, which to me is a waste of even being in a fantasy league.

There is a bit of drama currently hitting the fan in one of my leagues. I am wanting some opinions on it from the folks around here.

 

In the course of the draft we had two players that appeared to be in collusion across the board in their drafting. One person in the #2 spot the other in the #7 spot.

 

#2 likes Randy Moss

#7 likes Adrian Peterson

 

In order to get Moss, instead of drafting him at the #2 spot he picked up AP. #7 then grabbed Moss. This in and of itself was fine and dandy until the rest of the draft started to go on. Then a pattern emerged on both teams. Here is more or less the way it went with some additional commentary:

 

#7 drafted the following positions in this order:

 

WR, WR, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, K, TE, QB, DST, TE, RB, DST

 

So, #7 didn't see fit to draft his starting RB until the 7th round, after he picked up his 3 starting WR and TWO backups? And then he doesn't draft his #2 STARTING RB until the 13th round, after he drafted his backup TE, backup QB, and K? That's not just suspicious, that's absurd. We all know #7 was going to trade some of those WR (Moss and someone else, likely) for Adrian Peterson, so knowing that makes some of your selections more sensible, but it is still really suspicious even while keeping that in mind. Especially considering that #2 drafted like this:

 

RB, RB, QB, RB, TE, RB, WR, DST, K, WR, RB, WR, QB, K

So, #2 saw fit to draft 2 back-up RB before drafting his first WR in the 7th round? His 2nd STARTING WR was drafted in round 10, and by the end of the draft he has NO back-up WR? Again, some of it makes sense in the context of the agreement per Peterson/Moss et al, but it seems that the agreement went beyond that.

 

It seems to me, and I would imagine just about everyone else, that #2 and #7 were virtually drafting together. By both of them loading up on RB and WR respectively, getting backups 2 deep at the positions halfway through the draft, it skewed the entire thing. That goes beyond just trade bait to get one player, and it seems kind of obvious that there was collusion going on. Now, maybe not to the extent that some think and maybe not to the extent that the way they drafted would indicate, but it looks like it goes beyond just Moss for Peterson.

Now to give even further detail a trade for AP and Ronnie Brown for Moss and Andre Johnson was posted immediately following the draft, which was immediately voted down. Similar trades between these two teams have been voted down since the draft as well. Now those two are starting to cry foul along with the their roommate.

Now I have no problem with trades, but my biggest beef with the whole thing is that, as posted above, it looked like from the beginning that they were doing something together on it or trying to pull a fast one. If they had just agreed to trade 1 for 1 based on how much they both love the player I would have had no issue with it (even though the person trading AP would be getting the short end of the stick). As it is it just stinks and it has exploded over the weekend.

Other opinions on this would be appreciated. Just wanting to hear an outsider's view on it.

I don't see much of a problem with it. The trade is pretty much fair for both teams. The only problem I would have with teams drafting for a trade is if the trade turned out to be totally unfair. Let's say guy A trades away all of his good players for the crappy players on guy B's team. Then I have a problem. But these two guys just agreed to draft their teams with the knowledge that this trade would take place. Afterwards they made a trade which I believe can be defended.

 

To me it seems like a lot of sour grapes instead of anything unfair happening and honestly their trade should be allowed to go through. Let's say that they had both stocked up on positions with the hope to trade to "someone" not a particular manager then if they made this trade would their be a problem? I think it's smart that they drafted with this trade in mind.

I was planning on trying that if I'd have drawn the first or second pick in my draft. I was going to offer the guy with the 4th or 5th pick to swap first rounders, along with swapping 2nd and 4th rounders, at the least. As it was, I drew #5 and it worked out well.

I tried to make a swap for the #3 pick in my draft and it fell apart. The manager with the third pick LOVES the Colts and really wanted Manning but surprisingly (for him) he couldn't justify taking Peyton at #3 and knew someone in the draft would snatch him up in the hopes to trade him to the #3 guy. Unfortunately for me my greed got a hold of me and I wasn't giving up enough to get that pick, but oh well, I'm still pleased with my team as a whole.

 

I think these in draft or pre-draft trade scenarios further add to the realism of fantasy sports. Pro teams do it all the time, so why not fantasy teams?

I tried to make a swap for the #3 pick in my draft and it fell apart. The manager with the third pick LOVES the Colts and really wanted Manning but surprisingly (for him) he couldn't justify taking Peyton at #3 and knew someone in the draft would snatch him up in the hopes to trade him to the #3 guy. Unfortunately for me my greed got a hold of me and I wasn't giving up enough to get that pick, but oh well, I'm still pleased with my team as a whole.

 

I think these in draft or pre-draft trade scenarios further add to the realism of fantasy sports. Pro teams do it all the time, so why not fantasy teams?

 

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I don't know what to tell ya, other than you need to get in a new league.

 

I don't think they've done anything wrong. It's definitely weird and definitely takes away from the game (and draft), but I don't think it's too terribly wrong.

 

With that said, I would veto the trade(s) every chance that I get and I wouldn't play with those guys anymore.

 

If it was a money league, I'd be fired up...

I was in a money league a few years ago and had one of our guys drop his entire team. He was already out of contention, but he had some guys who were doing very well (Steve McNair was the #1 player in the league and his QB). Likewise, he dropped Drew Bennett (WR) who was a top WR that year (courtesy of McNair).

 

We suspended him from our league for a year and agreed not to pick up any of the players. That doesn't change the fact that he basically gave away the final 3-4 weeks of the season, which had plenty of important playoff implications.

I don't see anything wrong with what they did or the trade.