Comparing fielding percentage of guys who play different positions means nothing ... and let's not get carried away, Rose's defensive value was nil compared that of Bench and Morgan.

Rose's versatility evens that out a bit IMO. Never saw Little Joe patrolling LF. Never saw Johnny at the hotcorner. I concede that they were tops at their positions, but Pete could be plugged in nearly anywhere essentially.

Comparing fielding percentage of guys who play different positions means nothing ... and let's not get carried away, Rose's defensive value was nil compared that of Bench and Morgan.

Means nothing, wow.....:eek: I'm not getting carried away at all but other than stats and accomplishments, what means of comparison is there, opinions?

 

It means they fielded their position in a professional manner. A groundball or an attempt throwing, is the same regardless of position. Field it/throw it/catch it. Each of the 9 positions, is paramount to success and Bench/Morgan were great but Rose, wasn't a slouch either.

 

His comment was that Rose isn't comparable to Bench or Morgan, but Rose did his job for all the positions (2B, 3B, LF, CF, RF & 1B)

 

For the record, here is his 2B stats....

1502/75 (.975%)

Schmidt has been on record saying that Rose was the difference in them. He's been one of his biggest proponents for admittance to the HOF. That should speak volumes on behalf of Pete. Personally, I think that we get caught up in the #'s alot, me included, but what Pete brought was immeasurable, IMO.

 

 

Agree 100%. SD, some can just not get past the off the field stuff. Their hatred toward Pete is just to much to overlook.

Rose's versatility evens that out a bit IMO. Never saw Little Joe patrolling LF. Never saw Johnny at the hotcorner. I concede that they were tops at their positions, but Pete could be plugged in nearly anywhere essentially.

 

 

Again, you get it.

Rose's versatility evens that out a bit IMO. Never saw Little Joe patrolling LF. Never saw Johnny at the hotcorner. I concede that they were tops at their positions, but Pete could be plugged in nearly anywhere essentially.

Little Joe patrolling left field would have been a waste of his ability. Morgan was a Gold Glove second baseman for part of his career. Bench was perhaps the best defensive catcher of all time.

 

For most of his career, Rose played positions of less importance defensively and was usually no better than average at any of them.

Means nothing, wow.....:eek: I'm not getting carried away at all but other than stats and accomplishments, what means of comparison is there, opinions?

 

It means they fielded their position in a professional manner. A groundball or an attempt throwing, is the same regardless of position. Field it/throw it/catch it. Each of the 9 positions, is paramount to success and Bench/Morgan were great but Rose, wasn't a slouch either.

 

His comment was that Rose isn't comparable to Bench or Morgan, but Rose did his job for all the positions (2B, 3B, LF, CF, RF & 1B)

 

For the record, here is his 2B stats....

1502/75 (.975%)

Fielding percentage is meaningless when you're comparing different positions. Naturally, three of the four infield positions (SS, 2B and 3B) will have lower fielding percentages than others because they have many more difficult chances.

 

Rose was a second baseman for the first four years of his career and was moved to the outfield because he was below average defensively.

Little Joe patrolling left field would have been a waste of his ability. Morgan was a Gold Glove second baseman for part of his career. Bench was perhaps the best defensive catcher of all time.

 

For most of his career, Rose played positions of less importance defensively and was no better than average at any of them.

Oh My

 

Rose played 2B but not sure when C and 2B, were labeled the only important positions.

 

This ends my point and debate, on this one.

Little Joe patrolling left field would have been a waste of his ability. Morgan was a Gold Glove second baseman for part of his career. Bench was perhaps the best defensive catcher of all time.

 

For most of his career, Rose played positions of less importance defensively and was no better than average at any of them.

 

 

Ok.

Oh My

 

Rose played 2B but not sure when C and 2B, were labeled the only important positions.

 

This ends my point and debate, on this one.

 

 

I'm with ya. Wow is right.

Oh My

 

Rose played 2B but not sure when C and 2B, were labeled the only important positions.

I didn't say that ... actually, shortstop is the most important.

No they did not. There's stats they people can throw out there all day long, and everyone is intitled to their opinion. In my opinion, there has never been a leader like Pete Rose was, and I don't believe there's ever been a stat for intangibles, but he sure brought alot to the table. In Basketball we always hear the saying "he makes the players around him better". You don't hear that to much in Baseball, but I believe Pete actually did. The Phillies were in the middle of the greatest era in the history of the franchise when Rose came on board. They had won the National League East three years running 1976-1978) two of which were won with 101 win seasons. Although they missed the postseason in his first year with the team, they earned three division titles (one in the first half of the strike shortened 1981 season), two World Series appearances and one World Series title (1980) The Phillies were very good before Pete got there, but they had not been to a WS since 1950. I believe most of the Phillies players back then will tell ya today, that Pete was the final piece to their puzzle. The way he played, had to make his Teammates play as hard as they could. It didn't matter where you put him, 2b, LF, 3b, or 1st, he played that postion as hard as anyone ever did. Love him, or hate him, he was IMO the leader of the Big Red Machine, and the best player in Reds history.

 

:thumb: I agree here, Charlie Hustle "played" the game like it is meant to be played.

 

 

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Over 4,200 hits, 1,300 RBI, and a .300 batting average in 24 seasons.

Great debate. I picked Bench, but I have no qualm with Rose as the best. Either way you cut it, I got to see two of the best baseball players ever play in person:thumb: