I'd say that is quite a leap.

Hardly a leap. His choice of wording added to the fact that he has not flat out claimed that would be no reparations of any kind leaves one wondering if one wants to be honest with oneself.

 

 

I think he is right on here. It isn't the racist that are keeping the African American community down, it is the acceptance of a life of poverty. An acceptance formed from years of withstanding it. It commonly believed that through improving education people can free themselves from the poverty cycle.

Yeah, if you can reach people that just don't care. Throwing money at it won't solve the problem.

 

This is a fair policy arguement. One might argue that lowering student teacher ratios provides a better learning environment for students, one where students feel more incline to attend school. Another arguement might be that the creation of a new school creates energy and pride in the community, and increase attendance. A third arguement might be that the areas he is talking about have such bad facilities that they can't adequately support the educational needs.

These people don't care about school period. Not because of the way the school looks, because they've been raised to believe it's not that important. Again, throwing money at it and building nice new schools isn't going to change a thing. Those nice new schools will look like old dilapidated ones within ten years, they don't take pride in themselves much less a building.

 

I doubt it will be truly redistributive, I think your just using scare tactics.

The other question to ask is what kind of future can we expect if the minority populations never break out of poverty cycles yet grow to become the majority populations.

Again with the "scare tactics" garbage? I mean seriously folks, it's just a question to ponder since we all know we can't believe half of what politicians tell us. Like my dad always says, you believe a politician you'd believe the devil himself.

As to your question, the only way out of the cycle I see is what I said earlier. Take these kids that don't have a chance from their pathetic excuse for a parent and put them in a orphanage where they'd actually have a chance to make something of themselves.

The orphanage is NOT a fix. You're breaking up families, for one thing. You don't possibly think that kids are going to thank you for that? Now you have created who knows how many more institutions that need funding, and you've yet to tell us how that should be done.

 

You may call it throwing good money after bad, but it's not if real change is effected with the money. To keep pouring money into something, yet not changing anything is throwing good money after bad. If you read my post in it's entirety, with even half-open eyes, there's more than just throwning money suggested to improve the schools. There's money needed, but new ideas are needed.

Families? You call that a family? Come on RM, that's not even remotely close to a family, these parents can't even account for their kids most of the time nor do they really care. Since you won't have all these kids on welfare, that money can go toward the orphanage for one. I'd rather see my tax dollars go toward something like this than the hand out programs it goes to now.

 

RM, you haven't proposed anything I haven't heard already and has been tried to the usual tune of failure. I know you don't like hearing it, but it's throwing good money after bad, plain and simple.

Families? You call that a family? Come on RM, that's not even remotely close to a family, these parents can't even account for their kids most of the time nor do they really care. Since you won't have all these kids on welfare, that money can go toward the orphanage for one. I'd rather see my tax dollars go toward something like this than the hand out programs it goes to now.

 

RM, you haven't proposed anything I haven't heard already and has been tried to the usual tune of failure. I know you don't like hearing it, but it's throwing good money after bad, plain and simple.

 

How do you have any idea whether or not they can account for their children? LINK???

How do you have any idea whether or not they can account for their children? LINK???

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What? Are you kidding?

Link? Do you watch the news? Do you read the papers?

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What? Are you kidding?

Link? Do you watch the news? Do you read the papers?

 

I teach in the schools I enteract with the students and parents everyday - as a matter of fact more than any regular school in that we are in session 210 days of the year as opposed to 177. FWIW though I have never seen a news show or read an article that said, "well, my family just don't care about no education."

 

Everyone of the kids that attend my school have had some sort of struggle in a regular building, or with the Juvenile Justice system. They are the ones traditionally left behind. Their parents care about education . . . but often their circumstances don't let them express it in any positive way, or they are trying so hard to make a living for themselves that they cannot pay a lot of attention to their children.

I teach in the schools I enteract with the students and parents everyday - as a matter of fact more than any regular school in that we are in session 210 days of the year as opposed to 177. FWIW though I have never seen a news show or read an article that said, "well, my family just don't care about no education."

 

Everyone of the kids that attend my school have had some sort of struggle in a regular building, or with the Juvenile Justice system. They are the ones traditionally left behind. Their parents care about education . . . but often their circumstances don't let them express it in any positive way, or they are trying so hard to make a living for themselves that they cannot pay a lot of attention to their children.

Acemona, I have a very close and dear friend that used to be a social worker and now teaches. She has many close friends that are social workers that work with the kind of people we are talking about. Both she and her friends tell me of how so many of these kids are living in a "household" where the parents just flat out don't care. They tell me that it isn't unusual or rare, but that it's quite common and frequent. I'm not doubting you, I'm sure in your case that's the way it is, but where we live, it's a totally different story and I'm afraid it's the norm.

Acemona, I have a very close and dear friend that used to be a social worker and now teaches. She has many close friends that are social workers that work with the kind of people we are talking about. Both she and her friends tell me of how so many of these kids are living in a "household" where the parents just flat out don't care. They tell me that it isn't unusual or rare, but that it's quite common and frequent. I'm not doubting you, I'm sure in your case that's the way it is, but where we live, it's a totally different story and I'm afraid it's the norm.

It was not unusual in the school system where my wife worked for parents to give bogus phone numbers to the school so that they could not be contacted during the day. They did not want to be bothered with disciplinary problems or to be called to pick up a sick child in the middle of the day.

It was not unusual in the school system where my wife worked for parents to give bogus phone numbers to the school so that they could not be contacted during the day. They did not want to be bothered with disciplinary problems or to be called to pick up a sick child in the middle of the day.

 

And why is that?? Do you think they say. . . I don't care about my kids and their education??? and if they do say it, it would be more like - "8-3 she is your problem\." is that really what they mean . . . really???

 

 

Again, FWIW I have three social workers in my building and I did a home visit with one of them yesterday. The home visit was to grandmas and uncle's house b/c that is where the kids is living. Parents are homeless and living with friends in another county. When I spoke with someone at his "regular" school they told me that the dad is impossible to get in touch with and avoids their calls. Just wasn't the case, but they don't have the time and resources to research what is really going on . . . fortunately for us, for right now, until the budget gets worse, we do have the time to research and find out the real reason the kids are struggling.

And why is that?? Do you think they say. . . I don't care about my kids and their education??? and if they do say it, it would be more like - "8-3 she is your problem\." is that really what they mean . . . really???

Pretty much. Some want to have their days free to drink and do drugs. Others work and do not want to be called in to deal with disciplinary problems.

 

Again, FWIW I have three social workers in my building and I did a home visit with one of them yesterday. The home visit was to grandmas and uncle's house b/c that is where the kids is living. Parents are homeless and living with friends in another county. When I spoke with someone at his "regular" school they told me that the dad is impossible to get in touch with and avoids their calls. Just wasn't the case, but they don't have the time and resources to research what is really going on . . . fortunately for us, for right now, until the budget gets worse, we do have the time to research and find out the real reason the kids are struggling.

Interesting report but it is applicable to one particular situation. When the school calls multiple phone numbers and either gets recordings or reaches somebody who does not even know the parent, then it is reasonable to assume that some deliberate deception is at work.

Obama himself should pay reparations. Since his Arab ancestors were the main slave traders in Kenya. The man is not even black.

Obama himself should pay reparations. Since his Arab ancestors were the main slave traders in Kenya. The man is not even black.

 

Wrong. His father was a Kenyan and his mother was white....I don't see any Arab in there....I could be wrong.

Obama himself should pay reparations. Since his Arab ancestors were the main slave traders in Kenya. The man is not even black.

 

Exhibit #23,729, Your Honor.

Wrong. His father was a Kenyan and his mother was white....I don't see any Arab in there....I could be wrong.

 

His family may have spent generations in Kenya, but they were Arabs who had moved there to start a slave trade. BTW, if you know anything about Arab Muslims, especially in that part of the world. They rarely allow interracial marriages. Obama's great-great grandmother was Kenyan. The rest since then were Arab until his mother. Making him less than the federally required 1/8th ethnicity to be considered black. He's African-American because his family comes from there. Just not the African-American we think of when the term is used. Its no different if my family moved there, and only married white people. My great grandchildren could come back and say they are African-American if they wanted. Doesn't mean that it is true based upon the social recognition the word has today.

His family may have spent generations in Kenya, but they were Arabs who had moved there to start a slave trade. BTW, if you know anything about Arab Muslims, especially in that part of the world. They rarely allow interracial marriages. Obama's great-great grandmother was Kenyan. The rest since then were Arab until his mother. Making him less than the federally required 1/8th ethnicity to be considered black. He's African-American because his family comes from there. Just not the African-American we think of when the term is used. Its no different if my family moved there, and only married white people. My great grandchildren could come back and say they are African-American if they wanted. Doesn't mean that it is true based upon the social recognition the word has today.

 

I mentioned in your other post, in another thread, I read the article you cited. However I couldn't get the links to work that backed up that article's statements. I can't seem to find a link that the Federal government uses to define ethnicity. Can you help with that?

 

Here's what I posted on the other thread:

 

I read the article. Can you or someone find a link to the formula used to "identify ethnicity?" When I went to click on any link in the article to see where they were getting their "facts" I found no link to any articles, just search engines.

 

When I went googling I never found a source that talked about a government formula. The most I found were various discussions about census and how to identify yourself in the census of 2000. (BTW, I never saw a box for Arab-American) Hope this link works to that form: http://www.oregon.gov/DAS/HR/docs/pp...reportform.pdf

 

The closest I seem to find on looking up percentages would be from the old segregated south and not the federal government.

 

I found this site had some interesting reads around the subject but nothing concrete. http://198.66.252.234/gwinkel10.html