July 23, 200818 yr Catholics of the board: Tell me why the Bible calls for a Pope? Everyone Else: What is your view on the Pope? Is it a biblically called for?
July 23, 200818 yr Catholics of the board: Tell me why the Bible calls for a Pope? Everyone Else: What is your view on the Pope? Is it a biblically called for? "And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter . . ." (Matt. 10:1-2). "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19). "‘Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren’" (Luke 22:31-32). "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas’ (which means Peter)" (John 1:42). "When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’ A second time he said to him, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ He said to him the third time, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’ And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep’" (John 21:15-17). The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles’ teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first three generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, and the generation Timothy will teach.
July 23, 200818 yr Author Rockmom comes out of the gate hot and firing on all cylinders! How will the protestants respond?
July 23, 200818 yr Rockmom comes out of the gate hot and firing on all cylinders! How will the protestants respond? Believe me, they're prepared. :lol: Let me find the other thread on this from a while back.
July 23, 200818 yr "And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter . . ." (Matt. 10:1-2). "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19). "‘Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren’" (Luke 22:31-32). "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas’ (which means Peter)" (John 1:42). "When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’ A second time he said to him, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ He said to him the third time, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’ And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep’" (John 21:15-17). The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles’ teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first three generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, and the generation Timothy will teach. I am going to say something that will probably make a lot of the non-Catholics on this board upset, but so be it. I never understood why so many Christians ignore the above scripture, yet give supreme authority to a book that states itself (as stated above) that the Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was built. Furthermore, who gave us the Bible? It was written by men divinely inspired by God, but it was the Catholic Church who recognized which writings were divinely inspired. I am not saying that the Bible is not important (it most certainly is a large part of our faith) but the Bible itself says that the keys of Heaven were given to Peter, not to the Good Book.
July 23, 200818 yr Catholics of the board: Tell me why the Bible calls for a Pope? Everyone Else: What is your view on the Pope? Is it a biblically called for? Rockmom comes out of the gate hot and firing on all cylinders! How will the protestants respond? Believe me, they're prepared. :lol: Let me find the other thread on this from a while back. Things are going to get rocky. Stick around, rockmom, and get Getslow and AllTell in here as well. Maybe I can convince my father to log back in to his old and dusty account. :lol: And thegooch, since you weren't convincing us to abandon our Christian faith, is the new plan to make us argue amongst ourselves? :lol: Because it will work.
July 23, 200818 yr Things are going to get rocky. Stick around, rockmom, and get Getslow and AllTell in here as well. Maybe I can convince my father to log back in to his old and dusty account. :lol: And thegooch, since you weren't convincing us to abandon our Christian faith, is the new plan to make us argue amongst ourselves? :lol: Because it will work. The flip side is, the more I defend the Catholic faith, the deeper my belief in the Catholic faith becomes. :lol:
July 23, 200818 yr Author Things are going to get rocky. Stick around, rockmom, and get Getslow and AllTell in here as well. Maybe I can convince my father to log back in to his old and dusty account. :lol: And thegooch, since you weren't convincing us to abandon our Christian faith, is the new plan to make us argue amongst ourselves? :lol: Because it will work. For once I didnt want to be the center of the argument:fire::laugh:
July 23, 200818 yr I am going to say something that will probably make a lot of the non-Catholics on this board upset, but so be it. I never understood why so many Christians ignore the above scripture, yet give supreme authority to a book that states itself (as stated above) that the Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was built. Furthermore, who gave us the Bible? It was written by men divinely inspired by God, but it was the Catholic Church who recognized which writings were divinely inspired. I am not saying that the Bible is not important (it most certainly is a large part of our faith) but the Bible itself says that the keys of Heaven were given to Peter, not to the Good Book. Wow, and yet you pray to Mary? Color me confused.
July 23, 200818 yr Wow, and yet you pray to Mary? Color me confused. Seriously...two different things: Honor Due to the Virgin Mary "And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?’" (Luke 1:41-43). "And Mary said, ‘My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name’" (Luke 1:46-49). "If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together" (1 Cor. 12:26). Praying to the Saints "‘And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is not God of the dead, but of the living . . .’" (Mark 12:26-27) "Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely . . ." (Heb. 12:1). "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8).
July 23, 200818 yr And no praying to Peter? Considering he's the rock the church was built upon. Peter is a saint.
July 23, 200818 yr The Pope has no class. Hasn't he ever heard that you shouldn't wear white after Labor Day? Seriously, if I'm not catholic, why should I care if the Pope is Biblical? Rmom gave the usual verses for defense of the Church having a Pope. I'm not sure that I buy into those verses instructing the Church having a Father (literal translation of "pope") or leader beyond Peter. But I think we find in the Old Testament wise advice on administering a large body. Exodus 18:13-26 13 The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening. 14 When his father-in-law saw all that Moses was doing for the people, he said, "What is this you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit as judge, while all these people stand around you from morning till evening?" 15 Moses answered him, "Because the people come to me to seek God's will. 16 Whenever they have a dispute, it is brought to me, and I decide between the parties and inform them of God's decrees and laws." 17 Moses' father-in-law replied, "What you are doing is not good. 18 You and these people who come to you will only wear yourselves out. The work is too heavy for you; you cannot handle it alone. 19 Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people's representative before God and bring their disputes to him. 20 Teach them the decrees and laws, and show them the way to live and the duties they are to perform. 21 But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 22 Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you. 23 If you do this and God so commands, you will be able to stand the strain, and all these people will go home satisfied." 24 Moses listened to his father-in-law and did everything he said. 25 He chose capable men from all Israel and made them leaders of the people, officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. 26 They served as judges for the people at all times. The difficult cases they brought to Moses, but the simple ones they decided themselves.
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