June 29, 200818 yr Deleted by oldrambler Edited June 29, 200818 yr by oldrambler Respect for BGP and the warning above.
June 29, 200818 yr I agree there are some things I probably don't understand. Help me out. A few years back, my girlfriend's grandfather was standing outside on his front yard, talking with another man. A neighbor, who had a history of mental problems, saw them talking, thought they must have been talking about him, went a got his assault rifle, shot my girlfriend's pawpaw in the head, killing him instantly. If there had been a group of folks out on the lawn, there would have been multiple deaths. Why did the old fellow need an assault rifle? As a follow-up, for those that are passionately against gun-control, do you feel there should be any controls, limits, safeguards, restrictions, etc, on gun ownership?
June 29, 200818 yr The guy in Henderson must have just had too many negative encounters with bosses, it was such a good thing that his rights to carry had not been rstricted in any way. Or maybe had one of his co-workers been carrying it would have only been 2 dead.
June 29, 200818 yr A few weeks ago, a teenage driver became enraged at an elderly woman for driving too slowly, cut her off, dragged her from her car, and delivered a severe beating that resulted in multiple fractured bones. This happened in a fairly nice neighborhood on a four-lane street. Sometimes normal people have multiple encounters with crazy people and the fact that this woman has possibly been involved with three crazy people does not necessarily mean that she is at fault. You cite a case where an elderly lady was beaten once to prove that people are sometimes approached by crazy people multiple times? I can admit that it is possible that she has came in contact with three crazy people. But it seems like you are having a hard time admitting the possibility that it is her that is crazy...
June 29, 200818 yr Actually, like most political issues, I'd say our views on this issue are pretty much aligned also.I use satire and humor to characterize and magnify the silly, fringe elements of our society.There are many, many responsible,sane gun owners(I don't think this woman was one of them) who take the responsibility of gun ownership seriously. But controls and restrictions on gun ownership are absolutley needed. I did not mean that to be offensive and if it came off that way, sorry. I understood that you were probably joking and meant for my post to come off as humorous as well but after reading it I think I failed to do so. :lol:
June 29, 200818 yr Let me turn prosecutor for a moment. She endangers him with road-rage type driving. His options are: a) do nothing b) call 911 and report his license plate c) get angry, get off his motorcycle in live traffic, and further provoke the situation Once he got off his motorcycle and walked up to her window in anger, he went from being the victim to the aggressor. The standard then shifts to her to determine whether what she felt was subjectively (not objectively!) reasonable. Her past experiences and insecurities, the fact there was a child in the car, the fact she had no way of knowing whether he was armed, all come in to play. Allow me to retort... Her "fear" that he might have attacked her does not justify her automatically pulling out a weapon and shooting him. If he showed signs that he was going to attack and harm her or her child then she would have probably had the right to shoot. But to use potentially deadly force against an unarmed citizen with no intentions of harming her would still be illegal, right?
June 29, 200818 yr I did not mean that to be offensive and if it came off that way, sorry. I understood that you were probably joking and meant for my post to come off as humorous as well but after reading it I think I failed to do so. :lol: No, your post was fine. Not offensive in the least.
June 29, 200818 yr You cite a case where an elderly lady was beaten once to prove that people are sometimes approached by crazy people multiple times? I can admit that it is possible that she has came in contact with three crazy people. But it seems like you are having a hard time admitting the possibility that it is her that is crazy... My example is of a crazy person in a road rage case approaching a vehicle and assaulting the driver. What I am having a hard time of "admitting" is that the subject of a newspaper article is guilty of a crime or exercising poor judgment based on a newspaper article. Just because we have not had multiple encounters with nut cases in our lives does not mean that this lady has had the same good fortune. Add to that fact the general media bias in favor of gun control and the odds that the article may not tell the whole story are pretty good.
June 29, 200818 yr Incidents like this one, in which armed robbers are shot and killed or scared away by by gun wielding would-be victims, happen fairly often but do not generally receive much national attention. I suspect that the alleged masked robber's family is already talking to some blood-sucking lawyer (no offense to lawyers not hooked on hemoglobin intended) and that the hero may lose his or her job over the shooting. Beach pizza shop employee fatally shoots robber, police say By Patrick Wilson The Virginian-Pilot © June 29, 2008 VIRGINIA BEACH An employee of a Virginia Beach pizza restaurant shot and killed a masked robber who had come in the back of the shop to rob it Saturday night, police said. The shooting happened about 10:08 p.m. at Dominick's Pizza & Pasta, in the Timberlake Shopping Center in the 4200 block of Holland Road. Employees had opened the back door to let a breeze come in, and the robber came in the door to the kitchen and pointed a gun at them, said Sgt. Rene Ball of Virginia Beach police. An employee then shot and killed the robber, she said. No one else was shot.
June 29, 200818 yr My example is of a crazy person in a road rage case approaching a vehicle and assaulting the driver.What I am having a hard time of "admitting" is that the subject of a newspaper article is guilty of a crime or exercising poor judgment based on a newspaper article. Just because we have not had multiple encounters with nut cases in our lives does not mean that this lady has had the same good fortune. Add to that fact the general media bias in favor of gun control and the odds that the article may not tell the whole story are pretty good. :thumb::thumb:
June 29, 200818 yr I agree there are some things I probably don't understand. Help me out. A few years back, my girlfriend's grandfather was standing outside on his front yard, talking with another man. A neighbor, who had a history of mental problems, saw them talking, thought they must have been talking about him, went a got his assault rifle, shot my girlfriend's pawpaw in the head, killing him instantly. If there had been a group of folks out on the lawn, there would have been multiple deaths. Why did the old fellow need an assault rifle? As a follow-up, for those that are passionately against gun-control, do you feel there should be any controls, limits, safeguards, restrictions, etc, on gun ownership? Sad story, I'm sorry to hear about that. Yes there are unstable people that own guns, problem is a large sect of society want to punish all gun owners because of the actions of a few. Out of curiosity, what are you classifying as an assault riffle? There already are controls, limits, safeguards, restrictions, etc, on gun ownership in place. What else is it you would like to see additional?
June 29, 200818 yr Allow me to retort... Her "fear" that he might have attacked her does not justify her automatically pulling out a weapon and shooting him. If he showed signs that he was going to attack and harm her or her child then she would have probably had the right to shoot. But to use potentially deadly force against an unarmed citizen with no intentions of harming her would still be illegal, right? For the court to decide, I'm sure we don't know all of the facts.
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