You can bet that if Euton were # 15 on the bench and his dad said to the press"my son is not very good ,but he wants to be on that bench, and I have to move anyway for a job" NOTHING would be said, except by #16s dad whos son didn't make the team!!

Of course if he was that far down the bench, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to make the comments he did to the papers. Stars are different(as much as we wish it wasn't the case, even in high school) and different expectations come with the territory. Dad just should have kept his mouth shut. Not that what he said was wrong, but as said before, loose lips sink ships.

By making athletics a "right", every child that wanted to participate would have to be placed on a team.

 

Then, every child would have to be ensured some fair and reasonable amount of actual game time, regardless of his/her personal work ethic, commitment, talent, etc.

 

Winning and losing would be meaningless, and soon, the values of discipline, hard work, perseverance, etc. would mean nothing.

 

Actual participation may be a "privilege" that rewards those who have that talent and work the hardest, but the reasonable expectation to be eligible to participate (try out and possibly make the team) is a "right" that should be extended to every child in every school.

 

Limiting one's "right" to eligibility should be backed by significant evidence justifying such a ruling.

By making athletics a right, every child that wanted to participate would have to be placed on a team.

 

Then, every child would have to be ensured some fair and reasonable amount of actual game time, regardless of his/her personal work ethic, commitment, talent, etc.

 

Winning and losing would be meaningless, and soon, the values of discipline, hard work, perseverance, etc. would mean nothing.

 

Actual participation may be a privilege that rewards those who have that talent and work the hardest, but the reasonable expectation to be eligible to participate (try out and possibly make the team) is a right that should be extended to every child in every school.

 

Limiting one's right to be eligibility should be backed by significant evidence justifying such a ruling.

:thumb:Absolutely.

 

If it is a right, you will have to have 50 member basketball teams on varsity.

By making athletics a right, every child that wanted to participate would have to be placed on a team.

 

Then, every child would have to be ensured some fair and reasonable amount of actual game time, regardless of his/her personal work ethic, commitment, talent, etc.

 

Winning and losing would be meaningless, and soon, the values of discipline, hard work, perseverance, etc. would mean nothing.

 

Actual participation may be a privilege that rewards those who have that talent and work the hardest, but the reasonable expectation to be eligible to participate (try out and possibly make the team) is a right that should be extended to every child in every school.

 

Limiting one's right to be eligibility should be backed by significant evidence justifying such a ruling.

 

Totally agree. There are reasonable and unreasonable limits to privleges. Questions abound to where KHSAA by-laws currently fit on that scale. Delegate assembly meeting in October; get your suggestions in.

Of course if he was that far down the bench, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to make the comments he did to the papers. Stars are different(as much as we wish it wasn't the case, even in high school) and different expectations come with the territory. Dad just should have kept his mouth shut. Not that what he said was wrong, but as said before, loose lips sink ships.

Not picking on you CC, but you just happen to be the most recent post making this point.

 

We all can see that if Mr. Euton had not made certain comments to the LHL, his son might very well be eligible today.

 

This is not warfare. Deception should never be a required element in making a successful transfer from one school to another. The rules should be more clear and less subjective than they currently are.

 

The fact that Mr. Euton could have thought the things he thought, and come to the same decision about where to enroll his son, and done everything else exactly as he did it, but simply not told anybody what was going on, and received a waiver making his son eligible tells me there's something very wrong with the process.

 

When we punish the honest and reward the sneaky, something needs to be fixed... immediately.

Edited June 20, 200818 yr by The Mole

But don't you think that most of the exposure kids get is out on the AAU circuit? I went to the King James Classic in Akron this past spring. Top players were there competing and many high D1 coaches.

 

 

I would agree with this. The coaches can see many kids from many areas at these tournaments whereas only a limited number in high school games.

So if he can't play , do you think he will stay ?

 

Then that would seem to prove that the choice of school was based 100% on athletics.

From the KHSAA Website

 

Case BL-6-16- What is a transfer for “athletic advantage”or other means of describing the manipulation of the

school change or other exceptions within the rule?

“Athletic Advantage” among other defi nitions and interpretations,

could include, but is not limited to, (a) seeking a superior athletic

team, (b) seeking relief due to confl ict with the philosophy or

action of an administrator, staff or faculty member, © seeking a

team consistent with the student’s athletic ability, (d) seeking a

means to nullify punitive action by the previous school or with

the previous athletic association.

This provision has been further codifi ed by action of the membership

in 2004 where amendments were passed stating that even if

a documented exception was met regarding a transferring

student, the exception might be nullifi ed if the transfer was

motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics

at the new school.Case BL-6-17- What is a boarding school

 

 

From Euton's Dad:

"Clay Euton said the family looked at several options, including private schools in the Lexington area, before choosing Scott County. The Cardinals are a perennial power and won a state championship last season.

 

"He knew he would have some good teammates, and we looked at the facilities," Clay Euton said. "A big factor was the schedule the team was willing to play. That's really what helped us make our decision."

""One of his main goals is to win Mr. Kentucky," Clay Euton said. "If he wins it or not I don't know, but I didn't want to take away his chance

 

 

From Chad Jackson:

 

According to Jackson, competition was the main reason behind the move. "I transferred to Scott County," said Jackson. "Pretty much when I transferred there I was just looking for good competition day in and day out. Most people play games to get competition, but for me when I'm in the gym I will be going against good players all the time."

 

 

Now they can argue until they are blue in the face that the rule is a stupid and terrible rule. But that will do them no good because the rule is still there.

 

The saddest part of all is that only a completely honest and thoughtful parent can be nailed down by this rule. (Liars, cheaters and complete idiots have the best chance to sneak past it.) For those of you who want to slam dad Euton, or a 16 year-old kid (Jackson) for stating (what any sensible person already should know is) the truth publicly, (and would at least have thought yourselves—if not actually said out loud—if you were in their shoes) as if by keeping their mouths shut they could have “sneaked a couple past” the KHSAA shame on you. Why have a rule so poorly written that it encourages (and by ineffective application rewards) dishonesty.

 

 

 

Sometimes the it is better to say nothing than to say something even if it is the truth.

 

Here are a few examples:

 

Your boss asks you "Do I look stupid to you?"

 

Your girlfriend asks you "Does this dress make me look fat?"

 

My point is we should often use discretion as to what we say. A simple no comment from Clay Euton may have got the job done.

From the KHSAA Website

 

Case BL-6-16- What is a transfer for “athletic advantage”or other means of describing the manipulation of the

school change or other exceptions within the rule?

“Athletic Advantage” among other defi nitions and interpretations,

could include, but is not limited to, (a) seeking a superior athletic

team, (b) seeking relief due to confl ict with the philosophy or

action of an administrator, staff or faculty member, © seeking a

team consistent with the student’s athletic ability, (d) seeking a

means to nullify punitive action by the previous school or with

the previous athletic association.

This provision has been further codifi ed by action of the membership

in 2004 where amendments were passed stating that even if

a documented exception was met regarding a transferring

student, the exception might be nullifi ed if the transfer was

motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics

at the new school.Case BL-6-17- What is a boarding school

 

 

From Euton's Dad:

"Clay Euton said the family looked at several options, including private schools in the Lexington area, before choosing Scott County. The Cardinals are a perennial power and won a state championship last season.

 

"He knew he would have some good teammates, and we looked at the facilities," Clay Euton said. "A big factor was the schedule the team was willing to play. That's really what helped us make our decision."

""One of his main goals is to win Mr. Kentucky," Clay Euton said. "If he wins it or not I don't know, but I didn't want to take away his chance

 

 

From Chad Jackson:

 

According to Jackson, competition was the main reason behind the move. "I transferred to Scott County," said Jackson. "Pretty much when I transferred there I was just looking for good competition day in and day out. Most people play games to get competition, but for me when I'm in the gym I will be going against good players all the time."

 

 

Now they can argue until they are blue in the face that the rule is a stupid and terrible rule. But that will do them no good because the rule is still there.

Good work Trojans. I am anxious to see some discussion on this post.

From the KHSAA Website

 

Case BL-6-16- What is a transfer for “athletic advantage”or other means of describing the manipulation of the

school change or other exceptions within the rule?

“Athletic Advantage” among other defi nitions and interpretations,

could include, but is not limited to, (a) seeking a superior athletic

team, (b) seeking relief due to confl ict with the philosophy or

action of an administrator, staff or faculty member, © seeking a

team consistent with the student’s athletic ability, (d) seeking a

means to nullify punitive action by the previous school or with

the previous athletic association.

This provision has been further codifi ed by action of the membership

in 2004 where amendments were passed stating that even if

a documented exception was met regarding a transferring

student, the exception might be nullifi ed if the transfer was

motivated in whole or part by a desire to participate in athletics

at the new school.Case BL-6-17- What is a boarding school

 

 

From Euton's Dad:

"Clay Euton said the family looked at several options, including private schools in the Lexington area, before choosing Scott County. The Cardinals are a perennial power and won a state championship last season.

 

"He knew he would have some good teammates, and we looked at the facilities," Clay Euton said. "A big factor was the schedule the team was willing to play. That's really what helped us make our decision."

""One of his main goals is to win Mr. Kentucky," Clay Euton said. "If he wins it or not I don't know, but I didn't want to take away his chance

 

 

From Chad Jackson:

 

According to Jackson, competition was the main reason behind the move. "I transferred to Scott County," said Jackson. "Pretty much when I transferred there I was just looking for good competition day in and day out. Most people play games to get competition, but for me when I'm in the gym I will be going against good players all the time."

 

 

Now they can argue until they are blue in the face that the rule is a stupid and terrible rule. But that will do them no good because the rule is still there.

 

Ouch...Game, set, match. As LABS said earlier, no further questions your honor.

Sometimes life's lessons are learned the hard way.

 

Know the rules.

Good work Trojans. I am anxious to see some discussion on this post.

 

As I am as well. This thread has gotten awful quiet since Trojan started throwing around the facts.

As I am as well. This thread has gotten awful quiet since Trojan started throwing around the facts.

We have come to the point of the conversation. The point being: most transfers are against the rules and should not be eligible for one year as the Bylaw says. That is why, if you transfer, you are automatically ineligible, and have to prove that you should be eligible not the other way around.

We have come to the point of the conversation. The point being: most transfers are against the rules and should not be eligible for one year as the Bylaw says. That is why, if you transfer, you are automatically ineligible, and have to prove that you should be eligible not the other way around.

 

 

Dead on as usual Ram. :thumb: