Don't you think the timing is at the very least suspect?

 

For him to denounce what Rev. Wright said on Sunday? He is not denouncing the man, but his words from speeches made just a few days ago.

 

No, what I think is that some people dislike Obama so much that they will villify whatever it is that Obama does. They will spin it to fit the image they have already created. Had Obama let it pass without making any remarks it would have been, "See? It just goes to show that he agrees with what Wright is saying!" By denouncing him, those same people attribute it to conspiracy.

Because they discussed it that makes it a conspiracy?

 

I said I don't subscribe to every conspiracy theory that people put out. I never said anything about those that do. If that is what you want to do so be it. I support your right to do so.

 

All I ask is that the same consideration is given to those who don't.

My point is that conspiracies generally involve some secret plan. Obama and Wright are following a plan that Wright outlined to the New York Times. How is believing that they are following through on a publicly stated plan engaging in a conspiracy theory? Obama is simply doing what he believes it will take to win moderate and independent voters in the general election. Moderates and independents who do not realize that they are being played will deserve what they get.

My point is that conspiracies generally involve some secret plan. Obama and Wright are following a plan that Wright outlined to the New York Times. How is believing that they are following through on a publicly stated plan engaging in a conspiracy theory? Obama is simply doing what he believes it will take to win moderate and independent voters in the general election. Moderates and independents who do not realize that they are being played will deserve what they get.

I never said anything about them having a conspiracy going.

Rev. Wright predicted a year ago that if Obama made it through the primary that he would have to distance himself from Wright. According to Wright, Obama agreed that he might have to do so.

 

Obama is as phony as his anger toward Wright is. I would not be surprised if Obama asked Wright to lay it on thick and heavy yesterday to give him a reason to publicly create some distance.

 

This is one of the most transparent attempts by a candidate to distract from his record as I have ever witnessed.

I too thought it was all a political ploy. I didn't buy it.

I never said anything about them having a conspiracy going.

No but you implied that those who are not taking Obama at his word are engaging in a conspiracy theory. Believing that Wright and Obama are following through on a publicly stated plan does not take the imagination typically required of a conspiracy theorist.

 

No intrigue. No suspense. Not much chance of a movie unless they leave out the NYT interview of Wright and Obama's own account of Wright warning him about the possible political consequences of joining his flock. Then, maybe Oliver Stone might show some interest. :lol:

No but you implied that those who are not taking Obama at his word are engaging in a conspiracy theory. Believing that Wright and Obama are following through on a publicly stated plan does not take the imagination typically required of a conspiracy theorist.

 

No intrigue. No suspense. Not much chance of a movie unless they leave out the NYT interview of Wright and Obama's own account of Wright warning him about the possible political consequences of joining his flock. Then, maybe Oliver Stone might show some interest. :lol:

 

Because a comment was made it became a plan?

No but you implied that those who are not taking Obama at his word are engaging in a conspiracy theory. Believing that Wright and Obama are following through on a publicly stated plan does not take the imagination typically required of a conspiracy theorist.

 

No intrigue. No suspense. Not much chance of a movie unless they leave out the NYT interview of Wright and Obama's own account of Wright warning him about the possible political consequences of joining his flock. Then, maybe Oliver Stone might show some interest. :lol:

You can read into my statements anything you want. I simply stated that I don't believe in every conspiracy theory that is put out.

Because a comment was made it became a plan?

Rev. Wright was simply stating a common sense fact. Obama joined a church with a radical anti-American philosophy that would offend most white American voters and most Republican black voters. Even in the Democratic primaries, Obama is losing the popular vote in nearly every demographic group. He has managed to win only by dominated the voting among black Americans and winning among the under-30 crowd.

 

Obama has a choice that he knew he would face months if not years ago. If he has any chance to win in November, then he must convince people to ignore his liberal voting record in the US Senate and in the Illinois Senate. If he wants to win he has too put some distance between Rev. Wright and himself.

 

Rev. Wright understands that fact and Obama's supporters who refuse to acknowledge it are just fooling themselves. Wright will be perfectly happy taking a public beating in exchange for book royalties later this year and an opportunity to take some credit later for helping Obama become president.

You can read into my statements anything you want. I simply stated that I don't believe in every conspiracy theory that is put out.

:thumb: I don't engage in conspiracy theories but I also do not ignore statements that are in the public domain. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist in your opinion, then that is fine with me.

:thumb: I don't engage in conspiracy theories but I also do not ignore statements that are in the public domain. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist in your opinion, then that is fine with me.

My friend, we just have different opinions that's all. Nothing more nothing less. :thumb:

No, I don't. I don't subscribe to every conspiracy theory that people put out.

Conspiracy theory? I'm just talking about him worrying about slipping in the polls.

You know It is rather funny to hear some responses.

 

If Obama says nothing (or nothing you think is strong enough) its: "Well, he must agree with Rev. Wright."

 

If Obama says he is upset and that this is not like the Rev. Wright he knew years before some respond with: "Well, he's only saying that because he's a politician."

 

:lol:

 

It wouldn't matter if he had slugged Rev. Wright for some people's opinions, they would have found a way to criticize Obama irregardless of which way he flips.

 

I think you're correct in saying it wouldn't matter...Obama would have been criticized regardless.

 

My biggest complaint is he comes out now denouncing Wright and his comments...but, of the comments he mentioned, some of them were the same points that were made in Wright's sermons, yet he didn't denounce them before. He also seemed more concerned with how it was affecting his candidacy rather than just stating that Wright was wrong.

My biggest complaint is he comes out now denouncing Wright and his comments...but, of the comments he mentioned, some of them were the same points that were made in Wright's sermons, yet he didn't denounce them before. He also seemed more concerned with how it was affecting his candidacy rather than just stating that Wright was wrong.

 

Obama, in my opinion, is doing this for the general election. Wright was deliberate in re-stating his most controversial, oft repeated comments. Obama now has the sweeping condemnation on record that was sorely missing when the fervor about them first broke. I think it comes down to the attack ads that have begun to roll in the south featuring Wright and this is what Obama will use to answer voter concerns in those states.

The attack ads on the Obama-Wright 20-year association will air across the nation before November. The DNC may need to pay some hush money to Rev. Wright in exchange for him delaying the release of his book until after the election. The last thing Obama needs is Rev. Wright barnstorming the country on a book promotion tour in October.

Obama, in my opinion, is doing this for the general election. Wright was deliberate in re-stating his most controversial, oft repeated comments. Obama now has the sweeping condemnation on record that was sorely missing when the fervor about them first broke. I think it comes down to the attack ads that have begun to roll in the south featuring Wright and this is what Obama will use to answer voter concerns in those states.

 

And, I think that makes Obama look bad. To condemn the statements now comes off as less than sincere, IMO...had Wright said something new that Obama condemned it might be different. As it is, Obama is now condemning the same statements that he refused to condemn a few weeks earlier. That's what I don't like...why is he denouncing them now? Did he change his mind? Did he agree with them up until this week?

 

The answer is obvious. It's a calculated political move to try and distance himself from Wright and his comments. Personally, I think he blew it. If he'd have come out immediately and said what he said a couple days ago, it would have carried far more weight. As it is, it just seems disingenuous to me.