Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

 

 

Yes, but it's hard to get to know the new devil when any questions directed toward him are considered divisive.

Explain lack of experience. McCain was in the Senate for 26 years (and IMO we haven't progressed much in that time). Clinton was first lady. Obama was in the state Senate, the US Senate, and actually worked with regular people as a community organizer. We've had the same gang in Washington for decades and frankly I think it's time to get someone new in the White House who isn't a Washington person. I'll vote for Clinton in the unlikely event that she gets the nomination, but I'm tired of the same group of people running things.

We know McCain's voting record on issues, 26 years worth. Compare that to Obama.

What has Obama actually accomplished? You brought up that he was a community organizer where he worked with "regular people", what did he accomplish there?

We know McCain's voting record on issues, 26 years worth. Compare that to Obama.

What has Obama actually accomplished? You brought up that he was a community organizer where he worked with "regular people", what did he accomplish there?

 

Outside of the fact - that he didn't vote for the war - what exactly is his voting record? Can anyone address this?

And how do we not know Obama? This guy is getting pounded by the media and Pravda (fox news). Every possible association that can be made about him is. What do we know about McCain? I know he married a very rich woman, flip flops on everything, lies about supporting the troops when they get home from a war he never wants us out of, and likes to fight other Senators. What else is there to know about any of these people?

Of all these comments, the one in bold is the one I find the most ridiculous. McCain’s youngest son, Jimmy, has served in Iraq, he spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province. Chances are he'll be there again since he's in the Marines. I'm sure McCain is lying about supporting the troops.

Outside of the fact - that he didn't vote for the war - what exactly is his voting record? Can anyone address this?

Obama?

Obama?

Yes Obama ---- isn't he the only one who didn't vote for the war?

 

McCain's wife was on the "View" today and said that their son is home.

Outside of the fact - that he didn't vote for the war - what exactly is his voting record? Can anyone address this?

 

"While in Chicago as a community organizer once again, Obama organized an aggressive voter registration effort that aided in the election of President Bill Clinton and Senator Carol Moseley Braun. The campaign registered over 100,000 voters."

 

His Senate accomplishments include:

- Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

 

- After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

 

- His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

 

- Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

 

- Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

 

- As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

- He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

 

- Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

 

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

 

- Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

 

- Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

 

- Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

 

- Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

 

- Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.

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Of all these comments, the one in bold is the one I find the most ridiculous. McCain’s youngest son, Jimmy, has served in Iraq, he spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province. Chances are he'll be there again since he's in the Marines. I'm sure McCain is lying about supporting the troops.

 

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Of all these comments, the one in bold is the one I find the most ridiculous. McCain’s youngest son, Jimmy, has served in Iraq, he spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province. Chances are he'll be there again since he's in the Marines. I'm sure McCain is lying about supporting the troops.

 

McCain voted against the new GI bill then later campaigned as if he was for it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/mccain-is-awol-on-new-gi_n_94791.html

 

He voted against increased funding for Veterans Hospitals

http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/02/walter_reed_ann.php

 

Voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

 

Was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

 

Voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

 

McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.

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Yes Obama ---- isn't he the only one who didn't vote for the war?

 

McCain's wife was on the "View" today and said that their son is home.

Here are links to both of their voting records.

 

Obama

 

McCain

Those are some really unbiased links you have there, MoreheadEagle. :lol:

Those are some really unbiased links you have there, MoreheadEagle. :lol:

 

Don't see how pointing out McCain's voting record is biased. DailyKos links you right to the Senate vote count on each issue. That's facts, but I like to remember that facts seem to have a liberal bias to some.

Don't see how pointing out McCain's voting record is biased. DailyKos links you right to the Senate vote count on each issue. That's facts, but I like to remember that facts seem to have a liberal bias to some.

 

 

I thought "progressive" was the new buzz word instead of liberal?

Explain lack of experience. McCain was in the Senate for 26 years (and IMO we haven't progressed much in that time). Clinton was first lady. Obama was in the state Senate, the US Senate, and actually worked with regular people as a community organizer. We've had the same gang in Washington for decades and frankly I think it's time to get someone new in the White House who isn't a Washington person. I'll vote for Clinton in the unlikely event that she gets the nomination, but I'm tired of the same group of people running things.

 

We haven't progressed much in 26 years? Mmm...winning the cold war, far expansion of GDP and GNP, total revamp of military technology, unemployment that at times has fallen under its previously thought of natural rate, welfare reform, free trade...just to name a few.

One thing that life has taught me, whether it be the coach of the local high school football team, the boss at work, or the kid working the drivethru at the local McDonalds, no matter how bad they are at doing their job, we can always find worse. Change for the sake of change doesn't always work.

 

 

And one thing I've learned, just because you always worked for one boss, doesn't mean there isn't a better one out there; or to state it more broadly, just because something's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean there isn't a better way.