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Is It Really Fair....

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So if you are the overall number one you should be given the following advantages:

 

1. Play the first two rounds literally 15 minutes from your campus

 

2. Get to play either of the two "worst" teams to amke the tournament.

 

3. ....At that, after the winning team has already had to play once then make a long trip to play you.

 

4. Play rounds 3-4 at a location that you usually play at least two games a year at, still within the same state and in the heart of your fan base

 

5. Once you make the Final 4, you are then matched up with the "weakest" 1 seed.

 

All of this is because you "earn" the overall number one based on strictly opinions?

 

C'mon!

 

This isn't true. The regionals are on a rotating basis and they do try to place the number one seeds at a place as close to home as possible because they are the number one seed and like someone else mentioned earlier, they've earned the right to play as close to home as possible...that's the ONLY thing that is fair and the way it should be. I'm definitely not a UNC fan but if someone is the number one team in the country for most of the season, why shouldn't they be rewarded for playing great basketball?

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So if you are the overall number one you should be given the following advantages:

 

1. Play the first two rounds literally 15 minutes from your campus

 

2. Get to play either of the two "worst" teams to amke the tournament.

 

3. ....At that, after the winning team has already had to play once then make a long trip to play you.

 

4. Play rounds 3-4 at a location that you usually play at least two games a year at, still within the same state and in the heart of your fan base

 

5. Once you make the Final 4, you are then matched up with the "weakest" 1 seed.

 

All of this is because you "earn" the overall number one based on strictly opinions?

 

C'mon!

 

It is unfair but these rounds are for the ACC = Duke and UNC...most of the other first round and second round games move not one tourny that I have seen that these games have not been played at this location.

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This isn't true. The regionals are on a rotating basis and they do try to place the number one seeds at a place as close to home as possible because they are the number one seed and like someone else mentioned earlier, they've earned the right to play as close to home as possible...that's the ONLY thing that is fair and the way it should be. I'm definitely not a UNC fan but if someone is the number one team in the country for most of the season, why shouldn't they be rewarded for playing great basketball?

 

This year it was specifically stated that the 1 seeds were organized so as the #1 overall would play the #4 overall... that's why UNC will be playing Kansas. Had Texas won today they would be playing the Longhorns.

 

There is a HUGE difference between playing those games in Charlotte (2hrs, 21 minutes) and playing those games in Richmond, VA (2 hrs, 48 minutes),,, roughly the same difference (about 20 miles).

 

I would have NO issue of allowing Carolina to play 2 rounds within the state of North carolina and two hours in a locally accessible place, but when you get basically a home basketball game until the Final 4... that just doesn't seem fair to me.

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I do. It makes the regular season more meaningful. I have no problem with the committee giving the advantage of the 1 through 4 teams the opportunity to play closer to home. So you think it should be the opposite, that they should have to go play nearer a lower seed???.

 

Never said that... I just said I don't think they should be allowed to play 4 consecutive games within their own state lines. As I mentioned on a post before this, play in Richmond..it's further away from the 2 seed, but it certainly is outside of Tarheel Blue Country.

 

 

Yes I will agree that having a large fan base at your game is an advantage, but in the end, the floor is 94 feet by 50 feet, the hoop is ten feet off the floor and its 5 on 5.

 

 

If that's the case then it doesn't matter if teams are rewarded with closer games or not. The purpose of the NCAA Tourney is to determine the BEST team on an even playing field.

 

Playing well in the regular season gives you the following automatically:

1. A birth in the tournament in case you don't win your Conference Tourney.

 

2. A higher seed, meaning match ups with teams deemed to be less qualified as others. In other words, a less resistant path to the Final 4.

 

3. The opportunity to play in a REGION closer to your University.

 

So we should tilt the playing field even more to their advantage?

Never said that... I just said I don't think they should be allowed to play 4 consecutive games within their own state lines. As I mentioned on a post before this, play in Richmond..it's further away from the 2 seed, but it certainly is outside of Tarheel Blue Country.

 

 

 

 

If that's the case then it doesn't matter if teams are rewarded with closer games or not. The purpose of the NCAA Tourney is to determine the BEST team on an even playing field.

 

Playing well in the regular season gives you the following automatically:

1. A birth in the tournament in case you don't win your Conference Tourney.

 

2. A higher seed, meaning match ups with teams deemed to be less qualified as others. In other words, a less resistant path to the Final 4.

 

3. The opportunity to play in a REGION closer to your University.

 

So we should tilt the playing field even more to their advantage?

 

I guess I do not see the dramatic difference in playing in Raleigh vs. Richmond. UNC fans are going to be there in pretty close to the same numbers as they would in Raleigh. So if they have 2000 fewer fans willing to drive the 2 hours to Richmond vs. the 20 minutes to Raleigh that is going to make the advantage smaller... The playing field is as level as it needs to be. How much do you think playing in your home state is worth? You are acting like they are being spotted 10 points per game.

Georgia is a higher in seeding than KY and they get to play in the eastern part of the nation while KY goes out west, why is this?

Because not everyone can play close to home. Also, who will send more fans to California? UK or Georgia?

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I guess I do not see the dramatic difference in playing in Raleigh vs. Richmond. UNC fans are going to be there in pretty close to the same numbers as they would in Raleigh. So if they have 2000 fewer fans willing to drive the 2 hours to Richmond vs. the 20 minutes to Raleigh that is going to make the advantage smaller... The playing field is as level as it needs to be. How much do you think playing in your home state is worth? You are acting like they are being spotted 10 points per game.

 

Think about the University of Kentucky. The fanbase doesn't specifically come from Lexington, it is the ENTIRE state. If UK played a NCAA game in Louisville the fan base wouldn't all drive an hour to get there from Lexington... the fan base IS THERE.

 

Charlotte has an extremely high population of UNC alumni and fans who all live within 20 minutes of the arena. In NCAA games the walk-up attendance makes up a fairly substantial portion of the total attendance. When your walk-up attendance is exclusively from one particular school, and that school already has a large fan following, it can and will play a difference.

 

It may not make a 10 point difference, but it definately is enough to create enough momentum, or give an additional edge to make up a couple baskets over the course of a game. When you talk 1 vs. 2, those couple baskets may be the difference between winning and losing.

The problem I have is that there is a regional somewhere in Carolina every year...

The problem I have is that there is a regional somewhere in Carolina every year...
If there are no other cities that are requesting to host first round or regional games (Louisville, for example, hasn't hosted the NCAA tournament since 1991) and the North Carolina venues want them, I have no problem with Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Raleigh, or Charlotte hosting games every year.

 

However, if they are selecting them over other similar cities year in and year out, I would have a problem with this.

 

 

Memphis hasn't hosted the NCAA since 2001

Knoxville has a 22,000 seat arena and hasn't hosted since 1999.

This year is the first time since 1986 Houston has hosted the NCAAs. Why so long?

 

I'd like to know what goes into selecting the sites and why the same ones are picked as frequently as they are.

That North Carolina gets to play the first two rounds in Raleigh, and the next two rounds in Charlotte?

 

I don't mind giving them the opportunity to play the first two rounds at Raleigh, but Jesus.... this is like saying they can play at home until the Final 4!

 

Had Duke won the ACC they would have moved up to a 1 seed and probably had the same gift.

 

To put it in perspective, imagine if some of the better Kentucky teams could have played the first two rounds at Louisville and the next two at Cincinnatti.

 

Its a joke, I would like to see where both UNC and Duke have played in the tourney over the last 5 or so years.

2007

Duke was a #6 and played in Buffalo

UNC was a #3 in Dayton

Villanova was the overall #1 in Philly

 

2006

Duke was a #1 in Charlotte

UNC was the overall #1 in Charlotte

 

2004

Duke was a #1 in Raliegh

UNC was a #6 in Denver

Kentucky was the overall #1 in Columbus

 

2003

Duke was a #3 in Salt Lake City

UNC missed the tourney

Texas was the overall #1 and sent to Birmingham instead of OK City

 

2002

Duke was a #1 in Greenville, SC

UNC missed the tourney

Maryland was the overall #1 in D.C.

 

2001

Duke was a #1 in Greensboro

UNC was a #2 in New Orleans

Illinois was the overall #1 in Dayton and not Kansas City

 

2000

Duke was a #1 in Winston-Salem

UNC was a #8 in Birmingham

Stanford was a #1 sent to Birmingham instead of Tucson

 

1999

Duke was a #1 in Charlotte

UNC was a #3 in Seattle

Auburn was a #1 in Indianpolis instead of New Orleans

 

1998

Duke was a #1 in Lexington (of all places)

UNC was a #1 in Hartford

There were no NC locations hosting first round games

 

1997

Duke was a #2 in Charlotte

North Carolina was a #1 in Winston-Salem

UCLA was a #2 and sent to Auburn Hills instead of Tucson or SL City

South Carolina was a #2 sent to Pittsburgh instead of either NC location or Memphis

 

1996

Duke was a #8 in Indianapolis

UNC was a #6 in Richmond

Indiana was a #6 sent to Orlando instead of Indianapolis

Iowa was a #6 sent to Tucson instead of Indy or Milwaukee

Louisville was a #6 sent to Milwaukee instead of Indy

 

1995

Duke missed the tourney

UNC was a #2 in Tallahassee

Arkansas was a #2 and went to Austin instead of Memphis

UMASS was a #2 in Albany

UCONN was a #2 and went to SL City instead of Baltimore, Albany, or Dayton

This isn't true. The regionals are on a rotating basis and they do try to place the number one seeds at a place as close to home as possible because they are the number one seed and like someone else mentioned earlier, they've earned the right to play as close to home as possible...that's the ONLY thing that is fair and the way it should be. I'm definitely not a UNC fan but if someone is the number one team in the country for most of the season, why shouldn't they be rewarded for playing great basketball?

 

UK was a #1 seed the year they lost to Marquette in the regional finals and had to play them at a location much closer to their fanbase than UK's. You just don't ever see UNC or Duke in the same situation when they are a #1.

2007

Duke was a #1 and played in Greensboro

UNC was a #3 in Dayton

Villanova was the overall #1 in Philly

 

2006

Duke was a #1 in Charlotte

UNC was the overall #1 in Charlotte

 

2004

Duke was a #1 in Raliegh

UNC was a #6 in Denver

Kentucky was the overall #1 in Columbus

 

2003

Duke was a #3 in Salt Lake City

UNC missed the tourney

Texas was the overall #1 and sent to Birmingham instead of OK City

 

2002

Duke was a #1 in Greenville, SC

UNC missed the tourney

Maryland was the overall #1 in D.C.

 

2001

Duke was a #1 in Greensboro

UNC was a #2 in New Orleans

Illinois was the overall #1 in Dayton and not Kansas City

 

2000

Duke was a #1 in Winston-Salem

UNC was a #8 in Birmingham

Stanford was a #1 sent to Birmingham instead of Tucson

 

1999

Duke was a #1 in Charlotte

UNC was a #3 in Seattle

Auburn was a #1 in Indianpolis instead of New Orleans

 

1998

Duke was a #1 in Lexington (of all places)

UNC was a #1 in Hartford

There were no NC locations hosting first round games

 

1997

Duke was a #2 in Charlotte

North Carolina was a #1 in Winston-Salem

UCLA was a #2 and sent to Auburn Hills instead of Tucson or SL City

South Carolina was a #2 sent to Pittsburgh instead of either NC location or Memphis

 

1996

Duke was a #8 in Indianapolis

UNC was a #6 in Richmond

Indiana was a #6 sent to Orlando instead of Indianapolis

Iowa was a #6 sent to Tucson instead of Indy or Milwaukee

Louisville was a #6 sent to Milwaukee instead of Indy

 

1995

Duke missed the tourney

UNC was a #2 in Tallahassee

Arkansas was a #2 and went to Austin instead of Memphis

UMASS was a #2 in Albany

UCONN was a #2 and went to SL City instead of Baltimore, Albany, or Dayton

 

 

You were right on Q with my post, thanks for the info, the above says enuff.

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