February 24, 200818 yr So what makes McCain a better choice??? If this is true that they are all lying when there lips are moving then the same is true with the Republicans... (See The last 4 Years of BUSH):scared: :thumb: I guess some people believe the "politicians are all liars" argument only applies to Democrats. :lol:
February 24, 200818 yr :thumb: I guess some people believe the "politicians are all liars" argument only applies to Democrats. :lol: I totally disagree with that statement. It applies to ALL politicians ! However McCain may have told maybe one less! I personally couldn't care less about any of them. They all tell you what you want to hear.They use the gun thing to exploit people that think guns are the problem. Listen to what they say,it's obvious they are clueless.
February 24, 200818 yr :thumb: I guess some people believe the "politicians are all liars" argument only applies to Democrats. :lol: Thats what it looks like too me as well !!! There are WMD's in Iraq- Bush Could be his biggest lie... But once he convinced himself that he was right then it's not a lie to him anymore... Bush could release some of the OIL reserves to lower Fuel cost??? I just don't think he will:irked: Once again RTS and JD everyone needs a Semi and/or Fully Automatic Weapon for Protection and/or Hunting????? I don't think these guns were around when the 2nd Amendment was written I just don't think they would have thought that you would need A Grenade Launcher on your gun... IMO The 2nd Amendment was written so people could hunt/protect their families and country, Not for some Collection of Military Assualt Rifles that NO AMERICAN NEEDS FOR PROTECTION OR HUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are Arguing for something that you don't even need... Semi - Auto Deer Rifles, Shotguns are not the same as a M-16, AR-15, these are for destruction. Plan an Simple:flame:
February 24, 200818 yr You're getting ridiculous. Yeah, so? What did I say about him being a POW? You're not making much sense here. I guess well just Agree to Disagree because we both have different view points.. If you have these Automatic weapons and they get stolen, then sold to Domestic/Foreign Terrorist then are they ok when there shooting up the Whitehouse, Congress, other Federal Buildings... What would make you Happy????? Let Everyone that wanted to have Military Grade Weapon, no matter if there Mentally Ill, A Criminal??? What would Satisfy you???? You have never explained what you want only that Obama/Clinton are taking away your guns... Were both rampling on.. I have said that Non-Military Americans should not have these weapons and why?? Please Tell me why they should??????????
February 25, 200818 yr I guess well just Agree to Disagree because we both have different view points.. If you have these Automatic weapons and they get stolen, then sold to Domestic/Foreign Terrorist then are they ok when there shooting up the Whitehouse, Congress, other Federal Buildings... What would make you Happy????? Let Everyone that wanted to have Military Grade Weapon, no matter if there Mentally Ill, A Criminal??? What would Satisfy you???? You have never explained what you want only that Obama/Clinton are taking away your guns... Were both rampling on.. I have said that Non-Military Americans should not have these weapons and why?? Please Tell me why they should?????????? I've explained (as have others) about the weapons you are talking about several times, but you just refuse to listen so I'm not rehashing it again for you. I could care less how you vote, just don't go crying to anyone if the one you vote for takes away your right to own a gun. You were forewarned.
February 25, 200818 yr :thumb: I guess some people believe the "politicians are all liars" argument only applies to Democrats. :lol: Certainly not me, I said they are all liars. I don't trust any of them.
February 25, 200818 yr Thats what it looks like too me as well !!! There are WMD's in Iraq- Bush Could be his biggest lie... But once he convinced himself that he was right then it's not a lie to him anymore... Bush could release some of the OIL reserves to lower Fuel cost??? I just don't think he will:irked: Once again RTS and JD everyone needs a Semi and/or Fully Automatic Weapon for Protection and/or Hunting????? I don't think these guns were around when the 2nd Amendment was written I just don't think they would have thought that you would need A Grenade Launcher on your gun... IMO The 2nd Amendment was written so people could hunt/protect their families and country, Not for some Collection of Military Assualt Rifles that NO AMERICAN NEEDS FOR PROTECTION OR HUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are Arguing for something that you don't even need... Semi - Auto Deer Rifles, Shotguns are not the same as a M-16, AR-15, these are for destruction. Plan an Simple:flame: I can tell you one thing I know for sure. Since I have been reading your posts in the gun threads one thing is very clear and evident. When it comes to guns, you have no clue what you are talking about. Virtually every type of centerfire sporting rifle in existence started off as a military weapon. Best if you leave these threads to those who know at least something about guns and what the differences are. I am not trying to be a jerk with you, honestly I'm not. I really get a sense that you may never even have fired a gun. Sorry, just the way you've come across in this thread.
February 25, 200818 yr I can tell you one thing I know for sure. Since I have been reading your posts in the gun threads one thing is very clear and evident. When it comes to guns, you have no clue what you are talking about. Virtually every type of centerfire sporting rifle in existence started off as a military weapon. Best if you leave these threads to those who know at least something about guns and what the differences are. I am not trying to be a jerk with you, honestly I'm not. I really get a sense that you may never even have fired a gun. Sorry, just the way you've come across in this thread. :confused: I have 15 Guns.. I have 4 Rifles, 6 Shotguns, 3 muzzleloaders, 2 Pistols... I went shooting just Friday, So yes I have shot A gun and plenty.... My point to you is WHY DOES THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN NEED A FULLY AUTOMATIC, MACHINE GUN??????? I think I know what I'm talking about I have handled guns for 15 Years, What makes you think that you know more about anything just because you belong to an organization that supports unlimited gun rights doesn't mean that your Argument is always the right one.. Maybe you are right about Obama/Clinton!! But, then again what if your wrong??? You have no way to Know what any candidate is thinking, they say one thing and support another... True there all Liars, But if McCain says he's all for Guns and Votes to BAN them then what. Obama claims to be against them to get elected and then doesn't ban them.:sssh: Politicans do what the lobbtist want and I'm sure the NRA still has a strong hold in Washington, D.C. It takes more than the President to get a Bill/Ban to Pass, There would be a major uproar if they tried it.:argue: So before I leave and LEAVE THE THREAD THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I hope you don't elect a President on one certain Topic and not overall.... Good Luck halfback20 you need it in here::fire:
February 25, 200818 yr :confused: I have 15 Guns.. I have 4 Rifles, 6 Shotguns, 3 muzzleloaders, 2 Pistols... I went shooting just Friday, So yes I have shot A gun and plenty.... My point to you is WHY DOES THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN NEED A FULLY AUTOMATIC, MACHINE GUN??????? This in a nutshell is why I say you don't sound like you know what you're talking about. You keep harping on this regardless of how many times it's been explained to you. Do you know anyone that owns a FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN?
February 25, 200818 yr I think I know what I'm talking about I have handled guns for 15 Years, What makes you think that you know more about anything just because you belong to an organization that supports unlimited gun rights doesn't mean that your Argument is always the right one.. Maybe you are right about Obama/Clinton!! But, then again what if your wrong??? You have no way to Know what any candidate is thinking, they say one thing and support another... True there all Liars, But if McCain says he's all for Guns and Votes to BAN them then what. Obama claims to be against them to get elected and then doesn't ban them.:sssh: I don't go by what I hear from the NRA near as much as by what I hear and see in the Gun Industry, after all, I work in it. Obama and Clinton have made their stance on guns well known, but now that they are running for President, they try to sucker people into thinking they are pro-gun. They clearly are not.
February 25, 200818 yr This in a nutshell is why I say you don't sound like you know what you're talking about. You keep harping on this regardless of how many times it's been explained to you. Do you know anyone that owns a FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN? RTS, you have your Opinion on why you need a Fully/Semi Automatic Weapon and I have mine on why you don't. You keep going on about how you've told me this and that. All your saying is that there going to ban all your guns!!! BTW, What kind of guns do you have ?????? A ban doesn't mean there taking away your guns. If this was true wouldn't they have taken away your guns when President Bill Clinton was in Office, this is a scare tactic Nothing More We've both said what we think and feel. I'm not posting anymore since you know everything there is to know!!!
February 25, 200818 yr It takes more than the President to get a Bill/Ban to Pass, There would be a major uproar if they tried it.:argue: So before I leave and LEAVE THE THREAD THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I hope you don't elect a President on one certain Topic and not overall.... Good Luck halfback20 you need it in here::fire: The gun issue is always my #1 gage of a candidate, I'd be foolish if it wasn't. The Dems and I don't see eye to eye on much of anything to be honest. A Dem President + a Dem House + a Dem Senate = bad news for gun owners. If you wouldn't ask such ridiculous questions such as "WHY DOES THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN NEED A FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN" you wouldn't have to wory about LEAVING A THREAD THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. :walk:
February 25, 200818 yr Author Who said anything about being allowed to own a fully automatic machine gun? You can, I can but I do not think either of us can afford $10-15000 for a gun. Not to mention the people that own them are not the type of people that knock over Kwikky Marts with them. Whats the difference between a semi-auto AR-15 and any other gun chambered for 5.56 NATO or .223 beside it being black and "LOOKING" like a machine gun? Or an AK or any other gun chambered for 7.62 besides it "LOOKING" like something used in IRAQ? Nothing.
February 25, 200818 yr RTS, you have your Opinion on why you need a Fully/Semi Automatic Weapon and I have mine on why you don't. You keep going on about how you've told me this and that. All your saying is that there going to ban all your guns!!! BTW, What kind of guns do you have ?????? A ban doesn't mean there taking away your guns. If this was true wouldn't they have taken away your guns when President Bill Clinton was in Office, this is a scare tactic Nothing More We've both said what we think and feel. I'm not posting anymore since you know everything there is to know!!! For the last time will you drop the fully auto nonsense? I have pistols, riffles, shotguns. No machine guns, sorry to disappoint. I know what Clinton's ban did to gun owners and the Gun Industry, I saw it first hand. The company I work for alone lost a ton of business and money. People lost jobs, so I'm pretty clued in to what the ban was all about. I can also tell you that Hillary is in favor of renewing that ban and being more aggressive with it. I can also tell you Obama is in favor of banning semi-autos. Do you know what that entails? I know what I need to know, if it's more than you know that's your problem.
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