The college and pros use it because the players are advanced enough in terms of talent, experience and decision-making ability to be able to run offenses and get off good shots in that short period of time.

 

HS players are not as advanced and don't have the experience, talent or decision-making skills to overcome the added pressure of a shot clock. If I were guessing, HS shooting percentages across the board in all Ky high schools, girls and boys, would be lucky to crack 40 percent. Adding a shot clock would cause FG pct. to plummet across the board to about 35 percent or less.

 

And as I've said before: Most teams are getting shots off in a reasonable amount of time. They're just missing them, and that's why scoring is low.

 

 

I can see some of these points and why some don't like it,but I just think it is hard to argue that it would make kids better and prepare them better for the next level.Also if it was such a bad idea,then why does it work so good in other states?I mean every state has bad regions,sections,divisions,and teams,but I bet they wouldn't change for anything.

I can see some of these points and why some don't like it,but I just think it is hard to argue that it would make kids better and prepare them better for the next level.Also if it was such a bad idea,then why does it work so good in other states?I mean every state has bad regions,sections,divisions,and teams,but I bet they wouldn't change for anything.

 

I'd like to see a few games in these other states and track the shooting percentages. I bet they're pretty bad. What states in particular are you talking about?

I'd like to see a few games in these other states and track the shooting percentages. I bet they're pretty bad. What states in particular are you talking about?

 

California and Mass. that I am sure of.

I was going to look that up but I am no were near patient enough.

Agree with the "open gym" statement. This policy needs to end. It's abused to no end. Start practice on the official start date, October 15th, instead of allowing coaches to use "open gym" as a way of circumventing the official start date.

 

I thought we were trying to have a thread about making basketball better. I dont see how basketball will get any better by keeping kids from having open gym.

 

Also the shot clock would be great. I have seen games where teams stall for minutes at a time. What would be wrong with having say a 45 second shot clock. I don't know anyone who is just at a game to watch a good game who wants to see a team hold the ball for more than 45 seconds.

I thought we were trying to have a thread about making basketball better. I dont see how basketball will get any better by keeping kids from having open gym.

 

Also the shot clock would be great. I have seen games where teams stall for minutes at a time. What would be wrong with having say a 45 second shot clock. I don't know anyone who is just at a game to watch a good game who wants to see a team hold the ball for more than 45 seconds.

 

I think the thought is that too many of the "open gym" are practices before or after the season is allowed to be happening.

 

A coach on our staff from the mid-90's had a class at another school for his masters program. Before 10/15 and he went pass the gym and heard a legendary coaches voice. Wondered what he was doing. There the team was on the floor and he was showing them offenses.

 

If I remember right, the violation was passed on but we never heard or read about any KHSAA action in the papers.

I thought we were trying to have a thread about making basketball better. I dont see how basketball will get any better by keeping kids from having open gym.

 

Also the shot clock would be great. I have seen games where teams stall for minutes at a time. What would be wrong with having say a 45 second shot clock. I don't know anyone who is just at a game to watch a good game who wants to see a team hold the ball for more than 45 seconds.

 

I have played as long as I can remember from 1st grade through high school and I guess I am looking at all of this as a player more than a fan also.But 45 seconds is a eternity on the court for anyone who has played and I just can't see it being a bad thing.

I think the thought is that too many of the "open gym" are practices before or after the season is allowed to be happening.

 

A coach on our staff from the mid-90's had a class at another school for his masters program. Before 10/15 and he went pass the gym and heard a legendary coaches voice. Wondered what he was doing. There the team was on the floor and he was showing them offenses.

 

If I remember right, the violation was passed on but we never heard or read about any KHSAA action in the papers.

 

I really don't see why there are regulations at all on coaches being in they gym with players. It could help kids get scholarships by having extra time to get better. The only problem would be interferring with other sports. But why can't a kid at Lexington Catholic who plays nothing but basketball be able to get extra gym time with the coach? It should be the same with all sports.

I have played as long as I can remember from 1st grade through high school and I guess I am looking at all of this as a player more than a fan also.But 45 seconds is a eternity on the court for anyone who has played and I just can't see it being a bad thing.

 

Also, I think now, even at smaller schools, its getting more and more reasonable with technology to be able to go ahead and add a shot clock also. I watched a few of the high school games on ESPNU from the hall of fame classic they had on a few days ago. I saw 1 shot clock violation. And that was using a 30 second shot clock. It really wasnt a factor. Granted these were great high school teams. But 45 seconds sounds extremely reasonable.

I can't recall this being discussed but what about increasing the length of quarters, to 10 minutes each or 2 halves, 18-20 minutes in length.

 

Would allow for more playing time....Thougths?

I can't recall this being discussed but what about increasing the length of quarters, to 10 minutes each or 2 halves, 18-20 minutes in length.

 

Would allow for more playing time....Thougths?

 

I have always liked that idea as well.I would like to see the two 20 minute halves.

I can't recall this being discussed but what about increasing the length of quarters, to 10 minutes each or 2 halves, 18-20 minutes in length.

 

Would allow for more playing time....Thougths?

 

I'm not sure the small schools would have enough players to go 36-40 minutes a night. 16 minute halves might lessen the pain of two "last minutes" per game.

 

In addition of coaches not being able to call timeouts (70% of the time when the time-out is officially recognized with the whistle the ball ends up being loose or in flight) and take away the coaching box and make the coaches sit the whole game. It is getting to the point where you could call "T" for 6 on the floor at any time. Teams play better when coaches coach period.

 

The one comment about coaches getting the crowd into the game then why do teams have cheerleaders?

I agree about the open gym statement, the rules need to be enforced, but this means the KHSAA needs to grow a backbone. I was for a 35 sec. clock but after reading the entire thread so far I,ve been convinced to change my mind. Shot selection is going to decline an already abysmal pct. as it is. Get rid of the 3 point arc. A lot of teams either shoot beyond the arc or layups. They have all but neglected the 10 to 15 ft shot and using the backboard is like committing a crime. I feel players might have to actually learn how to set proper screens, weak side rebounding might come back into play instead of the weak side man setting up for an anticipated skip pass for a 3 ball shot and basic passing and offensive skills might develop a little more. Besides the 3 ball down in 3rd through 8th grades is killing some kids because the parents and coaches at those levels are forgetting about teaching other more important fundamentals. I,ve seen it happen for years. Get rid of the dunk also, this is just a shot to get the fans excited. I'm sure Coach O'Hearn would have rather seen Middleton lay the ball off the glass against Scott Co. than miss the dunk when the Royals tried to make a late run.

I really don't see why there are regulations at all on coaches being in they gym with players. It could help kids get scholarships by having extra time to get better. The only problem would be interferring with other sports. But why can't a kid at Lexington Catholic who plays nothing but basketball be able to get extra gym time with the coach? It should be the same with all sports.

 

Because coaches would abuse it and require that time, not allowing kids to be involved in activities (not just sports but school plays, etc) outside of that one sport.

 

Nothing stopping the kid from practicing and shooting on his own.

I can't recall this being discussed but what about increasing the length of quarters, to 10 minutes each or 2 halves, 18-20 minutes in length.

 

Would allow for more playing time....Thougths?

 

Not with the JV game and games being played on school nights. On road games there are times the bus doesn't roll in till 11:00 as is. Lengthening the game makes students getting home even later. Expecially considering it might be a 14 year old playing up.