Very good point. Almost all the posts advocating the private schools have an unfair advantage on any of these topics are really aimed at THREE schools, Trinity, St. X, and in some cases LexCath. And it is only in football for the most part, because in the other sports their is parity. Volleyball is an exception, but a lot of that is because many public schools didn't begin playing the game until the last 10 years. And lets face it, not too many people care about volleyball anyway. It is all about FOOTBALL, and all about T and X. So bottom line is a whole lot of people and a whole lot of posturing is really about TWO schools in ONE sport.

 

I agree that 'many' of the proponents of separation primarily aim at the schools and sport you listed, however, I have read quite a few who target others. Golf, volleyball, swimming, girl's basketball to name a few...it needs to be "leveled"! Now, somebody tell me what that is so can get it straightened out....?

Realizing of course that the goal of a school system should be the best education and not winning football championships.............but if you really want to break the X and T domination have the public school systems quit building new schools in areas were growth has occurred.

 

In NKY a new school will be opened next year in Boone County because the current schools (Ryle, Boone, Conner) are all over 1600-1700 students. Now if left alone those all would easily surpass 2000 in a couple of years and become nearly as large as X and T within 5 years. But thankfully there are resources to build a new school and the correct decisions were made.

 

Academically, it would be better to have smaller schools.

 

And this shows another advantage that privates have. They can determine the size of their schools while publics cannot.

Very good point. Almost all the posts advocating the private schools have an unfair advantage on any of these topics are really aimed at THREE schools, Trinity, St. X, and in some cases LexCath. And it is only in football for the most part, because in the other sports their is parity. Volleyball is an exception, but a lot of that is because many public schools didn't begin playing the game until the last 10 years. And lets face it, not too many people care about volleyball anyway. It is all about FOOTBALL, and all about T and X. So bottom line is a whole lot of people and a whole lot of posturing is really about TWO schools in ONE sport.

 

Girls bball has had a private school winner for 6 years in a row, I believe.

Softball has had several private school winners, too.

Academically, it would be better to have smaller schools.

 

And this shows another advantage that privates have. They can determine the size of their schools while publics cannot.

 

 

Not completely true. The consumer(parents) decides. Lexington Catholic nearly shut down in the late 80's due to a lack of students. Enrollment dropped below 300 (I think), and the school nearly was done for. The school had to provide more services that the consumer(parents) wanted for thier kids. When these services were provided, (some included the starting of a football program), more consumers made the choice to purchase the product.

Not completely true. The consumer(parents) decides. Lexington Catholic nearly shut down in the late 80's due to a lack of students. Enrollment dropped below 300 (I think), and the school nearly was done for. The school had to provide more services that the consumer(parents) wanted for thier kids. When these services were provided, (some included the starting of a football program), more consumers made the choice to purchase the product.

 

I was talking more on the big side of the equation but you are right in regards to attracting students.:thumb:

I was talking more on the big side of the equation but you are right in regards to attracting students.:thumb:

 

Even at the big side, it is still the consumer that determines the number of students. About 10 years ago Trinity went on a major campus renovation. Libraries, labs and the overall campus were improved. That lead to a sharp increase in the number of students. That also resulted in an increase in the number of classrooms and labs. It still comes down to responding to the needs of the consumers.

Even at the big side, it is still the consumer that determines the number of students. About 10 years ago Trinity went on a major campus renovation. Libraries, labs and the overall campus were improved. That lead to a sharp increase in the number of students. That also resulted in an increase in the number of classrooms and labs. It still comes down to responding to the needs of the consumers.

 

If you wanted to. Trinity did not have to go to that size if they wished. They could have chosen to limit their school size to 1,000 if they wished. Public schools do not have that option unless another HS is built within that district.

Academically, it would be better to have smaller schools.

 

And this shows another advantage that privates have. They can determine the size of their schools while publics cannot.

 

I'm not buying this.

 

My family live in Florida, my neices attend or have graduated from public schools with student enrollments of well over 3000 students. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but I know Florida is ahead of Kentucky on school rankings. I don't buy this whole smaller is better thing because I know of to many states that outperform Kentucky that have very large piblic high schools.

I'm not buying this.

 

My family live in Florida, my neices attend or have graduated from public schools with student enrollments of well over 3000 students. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but I know Florida is ahead of Kentucky on school rankings. I don't buy this whole smaller is better thing because I know of to many states that outperform Kentucky that have very large piblic high schools.

 

While it is not the most important, it does have it's major advantages.

 

Parent support is the MOST IMPORTANT. And you guys are great at that.

 

Are you saying those other states ONLY have very large public high school.

No, but every time enrollment at a school nears some contrived ceiling they don't start building more schools (Boone County, Oldham County etc.).

 

I also know that public/private is less of an issue there then it is here.

If you wanted to. Trinity did not have to go to that size if they wished. They could have chosen to limit their school size to 1,000 if they wished. Public schools do not have that option unless another HS is built within that district.

 

You cited an ability to control their size as an advantage of at least the big private schools. I pointed out that they don't use the option. An option not used is of no advantage. You seem to always try to come up with things that give the private schools some sort of unfair advantage. When it is pointed out that they don't use that advantage you counter with the argument that they could if they wanted. Fair enough, public schools could open their doors to anyone from anywhere that wants to come. They could charge tuition for the students that don't receive tax support. Make your school as big as the market will bear. Now the world is even.

Girls bball has had a private school winner for 6 years in a row, I believe.

Softball has had several private school winners, too.

 

If you want to talk about a level playing in these two sports lets talk about classification for them. Is it a level playing field to have schools with 200 students compete with ones with 2000? The playing field is far more slanted here than in ANY sport that is classified.

By the way, is the fact that private schools have won titles in these sports EVIDENCE that the playing field isn't level? Is it possible there are other factors in addition to being private that have caused these teams to win?

Are you saying those other states ONLY have very large public high school.

 

Hi folks. First post :dancingpa so I got that out of the way. I've tried to be responsible and read AMAP before posting.

 

This point made about size is of interest since my daughter started HS this year, and she travels playing field hockey. One thing I noticed is other states have VERY large, and VERY nice public schools. I went to Dayton with her, and both schools were incredible. One straight out of Beverly Hills (Oakwood) and the other, (Fairmont Kettering), had a stadium that makes X's new stadium look pop warner. I quit bragging about X's stadium after that trip. Seats 10,500, that's 1/4 the size of Papa Johns?!? They have enrollment around 3K. She also traveled with her club team to Florida and it's the same story there according to parents who went.

 

So what gives. Why is this happening in other states and not here?

"So what gives. Why is this happening in other states and not here?"

 

I'm just referring to quality of facilities (meaning better use of tax dollars), and not the clear differences in quality of the teams. Advantage Ohio.