No state money, no tax money, it is the same as a county school taking a student from another state.

No state money, no tax money, it is the same as a county school taking a student from another state.

 

An independent can take a kid that is willing to match the state funding in tuition. How is that different from a private?

What about when an independent takes a kid from out of state?

 

A County school can take a kid from out of state just like an independent can my friend. The only difference between a county public school and an independent public school is the school district boundary. Period. End of discussion. Independents can and some do take OOD students. County schools can and some do take OOD students. If the receiving school has a reciprocity agreement with the sending school, the receiving school gets the state money; if not the receiving school can let them come for free (stupid decision that would upset me as a taxpayer in that district) or they can charge tuition (which to my understanding is the general practice when there is no reciprocity agreement). Why do we keep having to go over this time and time again?

Where private schools are often perceived as, effectively, getting the pick of the litter, public schools must play with the cards they are dealt. This is because of attendance zones marked by boundaries.

 

"It's an issue of the haves and have-nots," said Clint Satterfield, football coach at Trousdale County, a small public high school in Hartsville that has won five state football championships over the last 17 years.

 

This is a great point. While privates can decide who they are going to educate and who they are not, publics do not have this choice. Privates can decide to bolster their classes and programs for the "college-bound" child while having not to educate special education children. Publics cannot and actually will have to spend more money on the special education child because of the demands it takes to educate them.

 

And that is fine because privates should be able to make that call.

 

But then don't claim that there is a level playing field between the two different schools.

 

And all that has what to do with the quality of football team a school puts on the field?

A County school can take a kid from out of state just like an independent can my friend. The only difference between a county public school and an independent public school is the school district boundary. Period. End of discussion. Independents can and some do take OOD students. County schools can and some do take OOD students. If the receiving school has a reciprocity agreement with the sending school, the receiving school gets the state money; if not the receiving school can let them come for free (stupid decision that would upset me as a taxpayer in that district) or they can charge tuition (which to my understanding is the general practice when there is no reciprocity agreement). Why do we keep having to go over this time and time again?

 

So you do not see how big of a difference that makes? County schools DO NOT have the option to take a kid that does not live in their district. An independent CAN take a kid that does not live in their district, usually with tuition. How is that not a big difference, and how is that not like a private school?

County schools DO NOT have the option to take a kid that does not live in their district.

Yes, they do ... if they choose to limit themselves in that way, that is their prerogative.

An independent CAN take a kid that does not live in their district, usually with tuition. How is that not a big difference, and how is that not like a private school?

Because independents also have to take all kids within their district boundaries.

 

Let's get this straight ... independents are public schools, pure and simple. They are not like private schools.

And all that has what to do with the quality of football team a school puts on the field?

 

When a parent looks at the private schools and sees all the wonderful opportunities that are for their college-bound child and don't see these same opportunities Why?

 

Cause the public school is having and SHOULD spend thousands/millions on special education programs that the privates are not required to do. Lessens the programs that they can do for collegiate-bound children. Privates do not have to spread their funds around. They can concentrate on a specific student population.

 

Also, in some minds (not all and NOT casting a shadow on private parents but stating human nature) they don't want their child to be around certain classes of individuals. While the publics HAVE to try and educate those classes, privates can choose not to.

 

As a NKY private school principal said to a former principal of mine, "the big difference between us is when I don't want to deal with a child anymore, I write a check to the parents refunding their tuition and send them to you to deal with."

So you do not see how big of a difference that makes? County schools DO NOT have the option to take a kid that does not live in their district. An independent CAN take a kid that does not live in their district, usually with tuition. How is that not a big difference, and how is that not like a private school?

 

You are wrong and I am a public school supporter in this debate.

 

Open enrollment is determined by each individual board of education. Campbell County (I am assuming that is your allegiance) could vote tonight to have open enrollment and take in any kid from NKY or Ohio or Indiana. They could choose to charge tuition or not.

 

What they cannot do is to get the state monies for that out of district student unless the other district agrees or offer financial assistance as the privates can do.

You are wrong and I am a public school supporter in this debate.

 

Open enrollment is determined by each individual board of education. Campbell County (I am assuming that is your allegiance) could vote tonight to have open enrollment and take in any kid from NKY or Ohio or Indiana. They could choose to charge tuition or not.

 

What they cannot do is to get the state monies for that out of district student unless the other district agrees or offer financial assistance as the privates can do.

 

I know. However, public schools cant vote to open enrollment because their fascilities won't handle the flow. Their school boards usually have to limit enrollment to their service areas, othewise they would have to spend money to build that they don't have. I don't think that there is a school district in the state that doesn't want to serve students in mass, it is just not realistic for many.

I know. However, public schools cant vote to open enrollment because their fascilities won't handle the flow. Their school boards usually have to limit enrollment to their service areas, othewise they would have to spend money to build that they don't have. I don't think that there is a school district in the state that doesn't want to serve students in mass, it is just not realistic for many.

 

Some might have to problem that you mention but not all do.

 

Privates have the same issue though in limiting enrollment based upon the facilities they have.

 

What problem that the publics have though that the privates do not is, that the publics CANNOT limit their enrollment of kids WITHIN their district. You get 500 more kids in the district than you were expecting, your enrollment is up 500 whether you have the facilities to deal with them or not.

When a parent looks at the private schools and sees all the wonderful opportunities that are for their college-bound child and don't see these same opportunities Why?

 

Cause the public school is having and SHOULD spend thousands/millions on special education programs that the privates are not required to do. Lessens the programs that they can do for collegiate-bound children. Privates do not have to spread their funds around. They can concentrate on a specific student population.

 

Also, in some minds (not all and NOT casting a shadow on private parents but stating human nature) they don't want their child to be around certain classes of individuals. While the publics HAVE to try and educate those classes, privates can choose not to.

 

As a NKY private school principal said to a former principal of mine, "the big difference between us is when I don't want to deal with a child anymore, I write a check to the parents refunding their tuition and send them to you to deal with."

 

Whoa, whoa there big guy. Aren't you the one that repeatedly points out that the education performance levels at the public schools match the private schools? If its a perception issue, whose fault is it for that? Perhaps the administrators at the public schools whom for way too long sat on their haunches and didn't realize that there was a competition for students going on?

 

What wonderful opportunities for college bound students are available at private schools but not at public schools? That's a sincere question as I'm not sure what they would be.

 

As to the discipline issue or the certain classes of individual issue, I fully understand that those issues may cause some parents to send their children to private schools although I would guess that the number of parents that send their kids elsewhere for that reason are in a minority in almost every where in the state but in a few select areas. How many kids do you think Pendleton County loses each year for that reason? Very, very few is my guess. Thus, that excuse doesn't work for Pendleton Co's lack of success on the athletic fields. But even in those cases that lose even a decent number of students for those reasons, that doesn't necessarily mean that those students remaining at the public school aren't good athletes that could comprise a state championship football team, does it? Are you implying that only wealthy kids from solid families can become good athletes? Man I hope not.

 

No doubt that some public schools have some of those issues that the privates don't have to deal with. But that just isn't a valid excuse for the lack of success they have on the athletic fields in my opinion.

Whoa, whoa there big guy. Aren't you the one that repeatedly points out that the education performance levels at the public schools match the private schools? If its a perception issue, whose fault is it for that? Perhaps the administrators at the public schools whom for way too long sat on their haunches and didn't realize that there was a competition for students going on?

 

What wonderful opportunities for college bound students are available at private schools but not at public schools? That's a sincere question as I'm not sure what they would be.

 

As to the discipline issue or the certain classes of individual issue, I fully understand that those issues may cause some parents to send their children to private schools although I would guess that the number of parents that send their kids elsewhere for that reason are in a minority in almost every where in the state but in a few select areas. How many kids do you think Pendleton County loses each year for that reason? Very, very few is my guess. Thus, that excuse doesn't work for Pendleton Co's lack of success on the athletic fields. But even in those cases that lose even a decent number of students for those reasons, that doesn't necessarily mean that those students remaining at the public school aren't good athletes that could comprise a state championship football team, does it? Are you implying that only wealthy kids from solid families can become good athletes? Man I hope not.

 

No doubt that some public schools have some of those issues that the privates don't have to deal with. But that just isn't a valid excuse for the lack of success they have on the athletic fields in my opinion.

 

I think it creates a different starting point on the athletic field, but I also think it can be overcome in time. However, a county school that has enrollment boudaries will be less likely to go far Every year once they have a competative program simply due to the fact that they must have the athletes to do so, which will not happen every season. These schools can't be involved in that competition for students that you are talking about.

Performance is even. People WANT to believe that privates are better, so they believe it.

 

Sorta like some of the things that people wanted to believe about privates about financial aid and weren't true.

 

I do believe for some that there is a prejudice that they don't want their children around certain classes and they don't send their child to the public. IN contrast, I believe there are some on the public side that see the privates as nothing but the rich getting the break once again and that view is equally wrong.

 

Not sure on the college opportunities because I just keep hearing on here how much better privates are for the smarter kids.

 

Pendleton has lost a few good kids to home schooling since private schools are not a realitic option. You are right on with the Pendleton not losing a lot but that also waters down the argument that some have that have open enrollment and it solves the problem. If people are not leaving because of the drive distance, they won't be coming because of the drive distance either.

Whoa, whoa there big guy. Aren't you the one that repeatedly points out that the education performance levels at the public schools match the private schools? If its a perception issue, whose fault is it for that? Perhaps the administrators at the public schools whom for way too long sat on their haunches and didn't realize that there was a competition for students going on?

 

What wonderful opportunities for college bound students are available at private schools but not at public schools? That's a sincere question as I'm not sure what they would be.

 

As to the discipline issue or the certain classes of individual issue, I fully understand that those issues may cause some parents to send their children to private schools although I would guess that the number of parents that send their kids elsewhere for that reason are in a minority in almost every where in the state but in a few select areas. How many kids do you think Pendleton County loses each year for that reason? Very, very few is my guess. Thus, that excuse doesn't work for Pendleton Co's lack of success on the athletic fields. But even in those cases that lose even a decent number of students for those reasons, that doesn't necessarily mean that those students remaining at the public school aren't good athletes that could comprise a state championship football team, does it? Are you implying that only wealthy kids from solid families can become good athletes? Man I hope not.

 

No doubt that some public schools have some of those issues that the privates don't have to deal with. But that just isn't a valid excuse for the lack of success they have on the athletic fields in my opinion.

I think it creates a different starting point on the athletic field, but I also think it can be overcome in time. However, a county school that has enrollment boudaries will be less likely to go far Every year once they have a competative program simply due to the fact that they must have the athletes to do so, which will not happen every season. These schools can't be involved in that competition for students that you are talking about.

 

I think the point is less about being able to go far and more about being competitive.

I think the point is less about being able to go far and more about being competitive.

 

Every school can eventually become competative IMO, but it doesn't happen over night. It takes the right attitude, dedication, and often a change in the community mind set.