November 9, 200718 yr Because we are not a democracy means we may not have the ability to vote for this soon. It's up to the House and Senate to give us the ability. Yes, we are a Republic, so lets go through the process of a Republic.
November 9, 200718 yr Author Interesting that no one commented on the post I made in the other casino thread that was closed. boats of Mississippi. That sure is a positive. Other comments from research indicated that many states found out that an increase cost in social services resulting from gambling was MORE than the tax revenue brought in and actually gave the state a LOSS. Here are some of the comments: William Thompson, a public administration professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas and a leading national expert on gambling, said state political leaders who think gambling is the answer to their problems need look no farther than Nevada. "We have a deficit here of $400 million," Thompson said. * Six of the counties with the highest bankruptcy rates in the nation in 1996 were located near the ten riverboat casinos in Tunica, Mississippi.[7] * Iowa counties with a casino, racetrack or riverboat, have a bankruptcy rate 21 percent higher than the state average.[8] * a well-known objective study that found Illinois taxpayers had to pay $3 to remedy gambling-associated social problems for ever $1 of state tax revenue collected.[1] * a recent Maryland study finding that for each $40 generated by gambling, the state spent $200 on service.[2] * the 1994 study conducted by Florida's Department of Commerce that found that the costs and impacts on the criminal justice system, the social welfare system, small businesses, and the local economy, would be significantly greater than any revenues brought in by casinos.[3]
November 9, 200718 yr Interesting that no one commented on the post I made in the other casino thread that was closed. boats of Mississippi. That sure is a positive. Other comments from research indicated that many states found out that an increase cost in social services resulting from gambling was MORE than the tax revenue brought in and actually gave the state a LOSS. Here are some of the comments: William Thompson, a public administration professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas and a leading national expert on gambling, said state political leaders who think gambling is the answer to their problems need look no farther than Nevada. "We have a deficit here of $400 million," Thompson said. * Six of the counties with the highest bankruptcy rates in the nation in 1996 were located near the ten riverboat casinos in Tunica, Mississippi.[7] * Iowa counties with a casino, racetrack or riverboat, have a bankruptcy rate 21 percent higher than the state average.[8] * a well-known objective study that found Illinois taxpayers had to pay $3 to remedy gambling-associated social problems for ever $1 of state tax revenue collected.[1] * a recent Maryland study finding that for each $40 generated by gambling, the state spent $200 on service.[2] * the 1994 study conducted by Florida's Department of Commerce that found that the costs and impacts on the criminal justice system, the social welfare system, small businesses, and the local economy, would be significantly greater than any revenues brought in by casinos.[3] Really? Tell that to Lawrenceberg.
November 9, 200718 yr Author Really? Tell that to Lawrenceberg. There was a story in the Enquirer a year or two ago about the Lawrenceburg police department having to deal with crimes they were not prepared to deal with. Seems fraud, scams, passing of counterfeit bills were all issues that they were having to deal with and they were seeing an increase of since casinos came into town. I remember something that tied identity theft and casinos together. Seems people would show up with a credit card, let's say in your name, run up a bill on it at the casino/hotel and then skip town.
November 9, 200718 yr So you named 4 states that have issues, now, do we have the number from all the other states that allow gambling?
November 9, 200718 yr Author So you named 4 states that have issues, now, do we have the number from all the other states that allow gambling? So, 4 of your friends drive drunk and wreck. That is not enough evidence to you to NOT drive drunk. You want to check and see how all your friends do driving drunk? I made 3 searches, found this info, and that was all. Feel free to add to it.
November 9, 200718 yr Because we are not a democracy means we may not have the ability to vote for this soon. It's up to the House and Senate to give us the ability. What is your point?
November 9, 200718 yr Interesting that no one commented on the post I made in the other casino thread that was closed. boats of Mississippi. That sure is a positive. Other comments from research indicated that many states found out that an increase cost in social services resulting from gambling was MORE than the tax revenue brought in and actually gave the state a LOSS. Here are some of the comments: William Thompson, a public administration professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas and a leading national expert on gambling, said state political leaders who think gambling is the answer to their problems need look no farther than Nevada. "We have a deficit here of $400 million," Thompson said. * Six of the counties with the highest bankruptcy rates in the nation in 1996 were located near the ten riverboat casinos in Tunica, Mississippi.[7] * Iowa counties with a casino, racetrack or riverboat, have a bankruptcy rate 21 percent higher than the state average.[8] * a well-known objective study that found Illinois taxpayers had to pay $3 to remedy gambling-associated social problems for ever $1 of state tax revenue collected.[1] * a recent Maryland study finding that for each $40 generated by gambling, the state spent $200 on service.[2] * the 1994 study conducted by Florida's Department of Commerce that found that the costs and impacts on the criminal justice system, the social welfare system, small businesses, and the local economy, would be significantly greater than any revenues brought in by casinos.[3] LBBC, I looked at this. I can't find any of the sources cited by the editorialist to analyze them. Other than that, this is a 7 year old article with the most recent source cited dating back to 1997, and most of her sources are from the early nineties. Considering we only get these convenient soundbites pulled by a clearly biased author (Green Party, doesn't want casinos ruining Hawaii's natural beauty), it's really hard to put a lot of weight on them.
November 9, 200718 yr So, 4 of your friends drive drunk and wreck. That is not enough evidence to you to NOT drive drunk. You want to check and see how all your friends do driving drunk? I made 3 searches, found this info, and that was all. Feel free to add to it. I love right wing rationalizing
November 9, 200718 yr Author I love right wing rationalizing And I love the impetous of youth that they should get to do whatever they want with no thought to problems that it occurs.
November 9, 200718 yr You bring out 10 year old, incomplete and obvious bias stats and I'm supposed to be swayed or impressed?
November 9, 200718 yr Author http://borgman.enquirer.com/ Borgman has a nice editorial cartoon on gambling and the governor's race.
November 9, 200718 yr I see myself on both sides of this equation. I definitely see where the opposition comes from. I definitely think there would be an increase in crime rates in the area, you are going to see this naturally when more people visit or live in the area. I think that additional people would end up losing their savings, houses, etc because of stupidity. I can see where tax incentives would be given for a period of several years in order to build establishments in certain areas…leaving real revenues from these casinos further down the line. HOWEVER, in every situation…there is give and take. More visitors to the area would bring revenues not only for casinos, but local eateries, retail, etc. This will negate some of the incentives given over the first couple of years. Additional people having access to a casino with the ability to lose life savings or houses or whatever you want to add here…well anyone with an internet connection has access to do all of this much more simply than getting in a car driving to a horse track for slots or a casino for other gaming. I do not see how being afraid of the negatives should be a reason to hold back the future. This will bring jobs to the area. This will bring better entertainment to the area in the form of gaming, live shows etc. This will bring more travelers to the area. This will bring tax revenues to the state. NKY and other areas of the state should benefit from this type of entertainment. I do not believe it will be to the levels that some are saying, but I do believe it would happen to some extent.
November 9, 200718 yr There was a story in the Enquirer a year or two ago about the Lawrenceburg police department having to deal with crimes they were not prepared to deal with. Seems fraud, scams, passing of counterfeit bills were all issues that they were having to deal with and they were seeing an increase of since casinos came into town. I remember something that tied identity theft and casinos together. Seems people would show up with a credit card, let's say in your name, run up a bill on it at the casino/hotel and then skip town. Their community, roads, and schools want for nothing.
November 9, 200718 yr LBBC, why should we have to keep casinos out of KY because SOME people can't control themselves? You can't cure all social ills, and those that have self control shouldn't have to be stopped from enjoying something just because of the few that have no self control. As for Borgman's cartoon, that's the same tired alarmist garbage they said would happen in Indiana. Guess what?
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