About a month ago, I came with a question and thought the ump was wrong. Turns out he was right and I was mistaken. (can't type the WR word.:lol: )

 

This one happened last night.

 

Bases loaded nobody out. Soft liner that reached it's peak about 4-5 feet above my son's head. He caught it and then tagged 3rd base because the runner had taken off on contact.

 

After my son had tagged 3rd, the umpire called infield fly rule.

 

While some of the parents didn't agree with the infield fly call (I understand whether it was a liner (I thought it was) or a fly is a subjective call and I can live with that), my question is, shouldn't it STILL have been a DP? The umpire sent the runner back to 3rd and called ONLY the single out on the batter.

 

I was warming up our next pitcher so I was there to question the call but later on was given the explanation by our HC that the umpire said the runner has safety of being double offed when an Infield Fly is called. I thought that safety was for dropping the ball and getting the DP that way and if you take off, it is run at your own risk.

About a month ago, I came with a question and thought the ump was wrong. Turns out he was right and I was mistaken. (can't type the WR word.:lol: )

 

This one happened last night.

 

Bases loaded nobody out. Soft liner that reached it's peak about 4-5 feet above my son's head. He caught it and then tagged 3rd base because the runner had taken off on contact.

 

After my son had tagged 3rd, the umpire called infield fly rule.

 

While some of the parents didn't agree with the infield fly call (I understand whether it was a liner (I thought it was) or a fly is a subjective call and I can live with that), my question is, shouldn't it STILL have been a DP? The umpire sent the runner back to 3rd and called ONLY the single out on the batter.

 

I was warming up our next pitcher so I was there to question the call but later on was given the explanation by our HC that the umpire said the runner has safety of being double offed when an Infield Fly is called. I thought that safety was for dropping the ball and getting the DP that way and if you take off, it is run at your own risk.

 

It should have been a double play! On an infield fly the runners can go off the base at their own risk, and if they end up getting doubled off then its their fault...

It should have been a double play! On an infield fly the runners can go off the base at their own risk, and if they end up getting doubled off then its their fault...

Does it matter when the umpire called the IF? Cause he didn't call it till AFTER the DP was made.

Does it matter when the umpire called the IF? Cause he didn't call it till AFTER the DP was made.

 

Well he should have called it right when it happened. So since he didn't call it right away, I dont know what the ruling would be. Either way though the ump messed up, because it needed to be called right away...

Double play. Advance at your own risk.

Okay, since he missed the first one, let's see if his answer to a question I posed to him was correct.

 

We had a kid at the plate and the opposing pitcher bounced a pitch about 5 feet in front of the plate. It came towards our batter on one hop and he jumped out of the way. Later, between innings I asked him if the pitch that bounced would have hit our batter, would it be a HIBP and awarded 1st base? He said yes he would have been awarded 1st base.

It would be hit by pitch, if bounces and makes contact with batter. Batter could also, swing and hit the ball.

Here's one that baffled me. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, batter is deep in the batter's box. His cleats are clearly in the box as he swings. The bat hits the catcher's mitt. Ump called strike. Now, I always thought that if the batter is in the batter's box and he swings and hits the mitt, it's catcher's interference. Ump's explanation was that the batter was too deep in the batter's box and that the catcher had the right to have his glove in that area.

 

Any thoughts?

Here's one that baffled me. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, batter is deep in the batter's box. His cleats are clearly in the box as he swings. The bat hits the catcher's mitt. Ump called strike. Now, I always thought that if the batter is in the batter's box and he swings and hits the mitt, it's catcher's interference. Ump's explanation was that the batter was too deep in the batter's box and that the catcher had the right to have his glove in that area.

 

Any thoughts?

You are correct, PD....Wrong call, it's catchers inter fence and batter is awarded base, dead ball.

 

Batter can occupy any and all, portion of the box. Catcher must adjust to depth. If box is no longer visible, discretion rests with Umpire.

Does it matter when the umpire called the IF? Cause he didn't call it till AFTER the DP was made.

 

No. Its a DP. Just because the batter is out automatically, the responsibility of the base runners are still the same on a caught fly ball.

 

Ump blew it.

 

He got it right on the bounced ball and the HBP question.

You are correct, PD....Wrong call, it's catchers inter fence and batter is awarded base, dead ball.

 

Batter can occupy any and all, portion of the box. Catcher must adjust to depth. If box is no longer visible, discretion rests with Umpire.

 

I knew it. And I'll add that this is one of the new umps. And sometimes these newbies can get things wrong. It's a learning situation. We all have to learn by our mistakes.

The fact that these are supposedly real situations bugs me tremendously. Why don't all the umpires who are out there getting paid learn the rules. I know most do, but the ones who don't know only take away from the players determining the winner of the game. I have been coaching in the SWOL for years and enjoying HS ball nearly as long, and leading up to the start of each season I regularly re-read my well worn copy of the official rules. No self patting on the back intended, but I'm not even being paid to do a JOB, they are. The IF Fly and CI calls are basic right out of Umpiring for Dummies. They happen in some game every day.

About a month ago, I came with a question and thought the ump was wrong. Turns out he was right and I was mistaken. (can't type the WR word.:lol: )

 

This one happened last night.

 

Bases loaded nobody out. Soft liner that reached it's peak about 4-5 feet above my son's head. He caught it and then tagged 3rd base because the runner had taken off on contact.

 

After my son had tagged 3rd, the umpire called infield fly rule.

 

While some of the parents didn't agree with the infield fly call (I understand whether it was a liner (I thought it was) or a fly is a subjective call and I can live with that), my question is, shouldn't it STILL have been a DP? The umpire sent the runner back to 3rd and called ONLY the single out on the batter.

 

I was warming up our next pitcher so I was there to question the call but later on was given the explanation by our HC that the umpire said the runner has safety of being double offed when an Infield Fly is called. I thought that safety was for dropping the ball and getting the DP that way and if you take off, it is run at your own risk.

 

Remember me telling you about the infield fly rule..... Least understood rule in baseball......IMO :thumb:

The fact that these are supposedly real situations bugs me tremendously. Why don't all the umpires who are out there getting paid learn the rules. I know most do, but the ones who don't know only take away from the players determining the winner of the game. I have been coaching in the SWOL for years and enjoying HS ball nearly as long, and leading up to the start of each season I regularly re-read my well worn copy of the official rules. No self patting on the back intended, but I'm not even being paid to do a JOB, they are. The IF Fly and CI calls are basic right out of Umpiring for Dummies. They happen in some game every day.

 

The bad thing about the CI, is that that was the 2nd time it had happened to the same batter in less than a week. Both times, he was deep in the box. And clearly in the box.

The bad thing about the CI, is that that was the 2nd time it had happened to the same batter in less than a week. Both times, he was deep in the box. And clearly in the box.

 

 

... like Edwin Encarnacion.