One thing is clear from Joe's post game presser... He's fed up with Zac as well.

3 hours ago, futurecoach said:

I absolutely think they made the right move in letting Mixon go to. There hasn’t really been any run this year where anyone really could say Mixon would have done more with that. Mixon is having a great year no doubt, but the line and run scheme in Houston is better than what is here. Let’s not let what he is doing there, make us think he would be doing the same here. Mixon if he was here would have been running into zero space just like our backs yesterday. 
 

I agree with their evaluations, scouting and all that being wrong. Look at the Chiefs for example, it’s not like they are paying all these top stars all over their roster. It just doesn’t happen once you pay your QB. However, what they have done has hit on a lot of draft picks that allows them to still have talent to go with their QB. 
 

So to me it’s not about the Bengals anymore refusing to spend money. It’s more on who they decided to spend money on being wrong, and also not drafting well. I completely agree with the coaching staff failing too, and I think even Burrow may be frustrated with the coaching too. I’m hoping if Burrow does express frustration to Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown about wanting a change. That they listen to him, and not keep status quo and eventually end up with another Palmer situation. 

Completely agree with your last paragraph, wewaaayyyy too many misses in the draft, especially early picks

I’d be on the phone today with San Francisco, Chargers and a couple of others and see what I could get for Tee, misses way too many games

59 minutes ago, theguru said:

Lane Johnson!

Easy pickins' facing Sam Hubbard. 

Zero sacks today for the Bengals. That was a cake walk in the pocket today for Hurts. No defensive backfield is going to be able to cover AJ Brown and D. Smith with no pressure on the QB. The Bengals had 3 pressures the entire game.

12 hours ago, Mustang said:

"In two months, the Bengals have gone from preseason Super Bowl hype to wondering if they’re even going to win a game at home this season."

"The Bengals have a superstar quarterback, an all-world receiver and not much else. It takes more than Joe Burrow and Ja’Marr Chase to sustain success and remain among the AFC’s elite class."

"“We’re not good enough,” Burrow said. And just to hammer home his point, the quarterback repeated: “We’re not good enough.”".

These are all quotes from Jason Williams' article appearing in The Enquirer this morning.  

I have continuously blamed the Cincinnati Media for over-hyping our 40-something Media Market sized teams, which is their job to do, BUT the problem is that the gullible Cincinnati fans, mostly youngsters, college age, and post-college age, drink the Kool-Aid and begin the season with high expectations, in every sport, in every season, which leads to perennial disappointment and frustration.

Joe Burrow and JaMarr Chase are not from around here.  They didn't grow up as Bengals fans.  Other than drawing their paychecks from a Cincinnati Financial institution, they have no allegiance to you the fans, nor to the City of Cincinnati.  To be brutally honest, they are stuck here and wish they were somewhere else.

Burrow is watching his professional football stock plummet, and his career circle the bowl.  In a more well-rounded situation, he could be somebody, doing something, but he's stuck in our backwater town that makes excuses and is probably financially incapable of competing with the big boys!   Being drafted by Cincinnati was his misfortune.  Taking us to the Super Bowl showed just how good he could be with a competitive franchise.

I always have and always will blame the press and the media for bestowing on our teams titles and coronations, without holding them accountable, and making them earn those adulations.  

Jason Williams is a "Come Lately."  He has taken on the role of the Cincinnati Nay-Sayer and seems to have plenty of material on a weekly basis to fire shots at our sports franchises.

I don't have any answers, other than to learn to think and evaluate for yourselves, and view us as other out of town teams and franchises view us.  On an annual basis the only folks who truly believe that we are a consistent caliber playoff teams town, are Cincinnatians who read our own press clippings.

Sorry if this deflates your bubble of hate rooted in results from 20-30 years ago, but the Bengals have been in the playoffs 7 of the last 13 years and 2 of the last 3 years. They have a winning record over the last 13 years. They have been in the AFC conference championship game 2 of the last 3 years and who knows what happens last year if Burrow isn't injured. I am not going to wallow in the years of Bruce Coslet and Mike Shula. Half the people reading this probably don't even know they were Bengals coaches. Yes, this team is struggling and it isn't looking promising for the playoffs. But let's not bring the bad old days into this current frustration. They aren't related.

Here is a crazy stat. The Bengals have the 3rd highest paid defensive line in the NFL (yes, the supposed cheapskate Bengals). The contracts to Rankins and Hubbard are not looking very good right now. I want to see Murphy and Ossai on the field more in passing situations.

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Sorry if this deflates your bubble of hate rooted in results from 20-30 years ago, but the Bengals have been in the playoffs 7 of the last 13 years and 2 of the last 3 years. They have a winning record over the last 13 years. They have been in the AFC conference championship game 2 of the last 3 years and who knows what happens last year if Burrow isn't injured. I am not going to wallow in the years of Bruce Coslet and Mike Shula. Half the people reading this probably don't even know they were Bengals coaches. Yes, this team is struggling and it isn't looking promising for the playoffs. But let's not bring the bad old days into this current frustration. They aren't related.

 

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Here is a crazy stat. The Bengals have the 3rd highest paid defensive line in the NFL (yes, the supposed cheapskate Bengals). The contracts to Rankins and Hubbard are not looking very good right now. I want to see Murphy and Ossai on the field more in passing situations.

Agree with you, the 90’s, (of which I watched every game) Bengals are gone!!

As for Murphy and Osaai the last 4 games Murphy has had 123 snaps and Ossai 118, they’re just not doing anything with them 

1 hour ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

 

Agree with you, the 90’s, (of which I watched every game) Bengals are gone!!

As for Murphy and Osaai the last 4 games Murphy has had 123 snaps and Ossai 118, they’re just not doing anything with them 

Do you know the snaps for Hubbard and the other defensive linemen?

From Lance McAlister on Facebook:

My State of the Cincinnati Bengals
Did you watch Joe Burrow’s postgame news conference Sunday? Did you read his face and listen to his work choice? I did. What I saw and heard was frustration and disappointment. But most alarming, I heard resignation. 
This organization was gifted Burrow. They did nothing to earn/or qualify to draft him …..other than lose. 
With a gift like Joe comes a responsibility to support him, not use him. 
This organization is failing him. 
Consider what he’s been surrounded by since Day 1.
A head coach that will never again be hired as an NFL head coach. Anywhere. Anytime. 
A GM that will never again be hired as an NFL GM. Anywhere. Anytime. 
An owner that no fan base/city would ever want. Anywhere. Anytime.  
In Sunday’s postgame, Joe mentioned the need for everyone to take responsibility for what’s going on. 
Zac owns things. The problem is he keeps having to own things because he continues screwing things up. This team once desperately needed Zac’s culture creating ways. These days they desperately need a head coach. 
And while Rome burns, the owner and GM are nowhere to be found. They never talk publicly during the season. Why? Well, it’s just not how they do things. 
The GM and his band of six scouts continue to offer the coach more draft misses than hits. They’ve run out of the Top 5 draft currency for the easy picks like Burrow and JaMarr Chase. 
Good players eventually get big contracts. That requires an owner's willingness to keep spending in order to keep winning. See Jessie Bates. See DJ Reader. See Tee Higgins. 
It’s too late to save this season. No team that’s 0-4 at home, 3-5 overall, winners vs the Browns, Panthers and Giants, but losers to anyone good, is suddenly going to win 7 of its next 9.
Tick, tick, tick. Hear that? That’s the clock ticking on Joe’s time in Cincinnati and his career. It’s also the timer running out on fan patience and goodwill. 
I see it. You see it. I think Joe is seeing it. 
The organization knows it. But they got their franchise QB. They’ve left the rest up to him. 
Admit it, you can’t help feeling queasy wondering if the Burrow contract, and stuff like the Ring of Honor and Ruler of the Jungle is just the equivalent of the Votto contract, bobbleheads and statues for the Reds. Shiny objects meant to pacify and distract. And that’s it. 
Burrow’s having the best season of his career. He’s the top rated QB in the NFL.
The Bengals are now closer to a rebuild than the Super Bowl. 
Buckle up. It’s going to get worse….and I can’t complete the thought with ‘before it gets better’  
Higgins won’t be here next year. Heck, what if Ja’Marr Chase doesn’t want to be here next year? 
Shame on this organization.

1 hour ago, theguru said:

From Lance McAlister on Facebook:

My State of the Cincinnati Bengals
Did you watch Joe Burrow’s postgame news conference Sunday? Did you read his face and listen to his work choice? I did. What I saw and heard was frustration and disappointment. But most alarming, I heard resignation. 
This organization was gifted Burrow. They did nothing to earn/or qualify to draft him …..other than lose. 
With a gift like Joe comes a responsibility to support him, not use him. 
This organization is failing him. 
Consider what he’s been surrounded by since Day 1.
A head coach that will never again be hired as an NFL head coach. Anywhere. Anytime. 
A GM that will never again be hired as an NFL GM. Anywhere. Anytime. 
An owner that no fan base/city would ever want. Anywhere. Anytime.  
In Sunday’s postgame, Joe mentioned the need for everyone to take responsibility for what’s going on. 
Zac owns things. The problem is he keeps having to own things because he continues screwing things up. This team once desperately needed Zac’s culture creating ways. These days they desperately need a head coach. 
And while Rome burns, the owner and GM are nowhere to be found. They never talk publicly during the season. Why? Well, it’s just not how they do things. 
The GM and his band of six scouts continue to offer the coach more draft misses than hits. They’ve run out of the Top 5 draft currency for the easy picks like Burrow and JaMarr Chase. 
Good players eventually get big contracts. That requires an owner's willingness to keep spending in order to keep winning. See Jessie Bates. See DJ Reader. See Tee Higgins. 
It’s too late to save this season. No team that’s 0-4 at home, 3-5 overall, winners vs the Browns, Panthers and Giants, but losers to anyone good, is suddenly going to win 7 of its next 9.
Tick, tick, tick. Hear that? That’s the clock ticking on Joe’s time in Cincinnati and his career. It’s also the timer running out on fan patience and goodwill. 
I see it. You see it. I think Joe is seeing it. 
The organization knows it. But they got their franchise QB. They’ve left the rest up to him. 
Admit it, you can’t help feeling queasy wondering if the Burrow contract, and stuff like the Ring of Honor and Ruler of the Jungle is just the equivalent of the Votto contract, bobbleheads and statues for the Reds. Shiny objects meant to pacify and distract. And that’s it. 
Burrow’s having the best season of his career. He’s the top rated QB in the NFL.
The Bengals are now closer to a rebuild than the Super Bowl. 
Buckle up. It’s going to get worse….and I can’t complete the thought with ‘before it gets better’  
Higgins won’t be here next year. Heck, what if Ja’Marr Chase doesn’t want to be here next year? 
Shame on this organization.

The flyovers before the games have been good.

1 hour ago, theguru said:

From Lance McAlister on Facebook:

My State of the Cincinnati Bengals
Did you watch Joe Burrow’s postgame news conference Sunday? Did you read his face and listen to his work choice? I did. What I saw and heard was frustration and disappointment. But most alarming, I heard resignation. 
This organization was gifted Burrow. They did nothing to earn/or qualify to draft him …..other than lose. 
With a gift like Joe comes a responsibility to support him, not use him. 
This organization is failing him. 
Consider what he’s been surrounded by since Day 1.
A head coach that will never again be hired as an NFL head coach. Anywhere. Anytime. 
A GM that will never again be hired as an NFL GM. Anywhere. Anytime. 
An owner that no fan base/city would ever want. Anywhere. Anytime.  
In Sunday’s postgame, Joe mentioned the need for everyone to take responsibility for what’s going on. 
Zac owns things. The problem is he keeps having to own things because he continues screwing things up. This team once desperately needed Zac’s culture creating ways. These days they desperately need a head coach. 
And while Rome burns, the owner and GM are nowhere to be found. They never talk publicly during the season. Why? Well, it’s just not how they do things. 
The GM and his band of six scouts continue to offer the coach more draft misses than hits. They’ve run out of the Top 5 draft currency for the easy picks like Burrow and JaMarr Chase. 
Good players eventually get big contracts. That requires an owner's willingness to keep spending in order to keep winning. See Jessie Bates. See DJ Reader. See Tee Higgins. 
It’s too late to save this season. No team that’s 0-4 at home, 3-5 overall, winners vs the Browns, Panthers and Giants, but losers to anyone good, is suddenly going to win 7 of its next 9.
Tick, tick, tick. Hear that? That’s the clock ticking on Joe’s time in Cincinnati and his career. It’s also the timer running out on fan patience and goodwill. 
I see it. You see it. I think Joe is seeing it. 
The organization knows it. But they got their franchise QB. They’ve left the rest up to him. 
Admit it, you can’t help feeling queasy wondering if the Burrow contract, and stuff like the Ring of Honor and Ruler of the Jungle is just the equivalent of the Votto contract, bobbleheads and statues for the Reds. Shiny objects meant to pacify and distract. And that’s it. 
Burrow’s having the best season of his career. He’s the top rated QB in the NFL.
The Bengals are now closer to a rebuild than the Super Bowl. 
Buckle up. It’s going to get worse….and I can’t complete the thought with ‘before it gets better’  
Higgins won’t be here next year. Heck, what if Ja’Marr Chase doesn’t want to be here next year? 
Shame on this organization.

Really good guru!!

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Do you know the snaps for Hubbard and the other defensive linemen?

In the same 4 games:

Hendrickson-191

Hubbard-171 -  WWWWAAAAYYY too many

8 minutes ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

Really good guru!!

Any public figure has their lovers and haters but Lance always puts in the work and most of us around this area have a lot of respect for him. 

3 minutes ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

In the same 4 games:

Hendrickson-191

Hubbard-171 -  WWWWAAAAYYY too many

During that same span

Hill averaging 55

Rankins averaging 45

Jenkins about 37

1 hour ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

During that same span

Hill averaging 55

Rankins averaging 45

Jenkins about 37

Surprised Jenkins is that high.

37 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Surprised Jenkins is that high.

I was too