Again, this split discussion could fall into the "be careful what you ask for" catagory? For those who think the "haves" are strong now, just separate them and allow them to openly recruit, offer scholarships, etc. Where do you think "little Johnny" the star running back with collegiate aspirations is going to attend high school then--XYZ Academy playing a national schedule, on ESPN, shoe company sponsored, whose games are attended by all the "name" college recruiters; or good old County HS, who's playing another County HS for a watered down, who knows how many classes by then, state title??

 

Excellent post.

Again, this split discussion could fall into the "be careful what you ask for" catagory? For those who think the "haves" are strong now, just separate them and allow them to openly recruit, offer scholarships, etc. Where do you think "little Johnny" the star running back with collegiate aspirations is going to attend high school then--XYZ Academy playing a national schedule, on ESPN, shoe company sponsored, whose games are attended by all the "name" college recruiters; or good old County HS, who's playing another County HS for a watered down, who knows how many classes by then, state title??

You obviously haven't been paying attention to my position. I am fine with that as long as we have distinctly different classes so that we compete against like schools. Presently, that does not occur. You have schools that have closed enrollment, you have schools that have open enrollment but because they are rural doesn't really draw anyone, you have schools that recruit, you have schools that draw from 10-13 county area, you have schools that are 60 students big and schools that are 2000 big and except in 3 sports they all are expected to compete against each other.

 

I have said, create an open enrollment/private class with 2 different size breakdowns and let them go at it. And then have a closed enrollment with 2 different size breakdowns and let them go at it.

 

And on the tired, worn-out Chicken Little argument of watering down, I am sure that the kids of those County schools will wear their state championship jackets just as proudly, the parade and pep rally in the school gym will be just as loud, the school will hang that banner in the rafters just as proudly as any that they have no chance to compete for now.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to my position. I am fine with that as long as we have distinctly different classes so that we compete against like schools. Presently, that does not occur. You have schools that have closed enrollment, you have schools that have open enrollment but because they are rural doesn't really draw anyone, you have schools that recruit, you have schools that draw from 10-13 county area, you have schools that are 60 students big and schools that are 2000 big and except in 3 sports they all are expected to compete against each other.

 

I have said, create an open enrollment/private class with 2 different size breakdowns and let them go at it. And then have a closed enrollment with 2 different size breakdowns and let them go at it.

 

And on the tired, worn-out Chicken Little argument of watering down, I am sure that the kids of those County schools will wear their state championship jackets just as proudly, the parade and pep rally in the school gym will be just as loud, the school will hang that banner in the rafters just as proudly as any that they have no chance to compete for now.

 

So you really think the 60 student rural public school will be able to compete with it's city or big county rival in a two class (closed enrollment) scenerio?? My guess is the cutoff for the two (closed enrollment) groups would be in the 700-800 student range. Thus you'll have the upper class ranging from say 750 student schools to 2100 or thereabouts, and the smaller class ranging from your 60 student school to 750.

 

Trust me, soon many will be whinning for more classes so "60 student HS" can compete "Fairly" against similar sized institutions; and likewise "750 student HS" will be saying the 2100 student school has a huge advantage, which they obviously do!! Meanwhile the smaller privates, which comprize most of the private schools in the state; can't compete with the handful of larger institutions, and will be forced to travel very long distances to find a similar private school to compete with. They will be forced to ultimately drop many athletic programs due to budgetary concerns, or merge and create a couple more monsters. I'd like the chances of a merged "NKY Catholic High School" made up of St. Henry, CovCath, Holy Cross, Bishop Brossart, NewCath, etc. competing on a regional level!!

 

Is this really what you want so that a couple of huge Louisville schools don't win a 6A football championship every year??

So you really think the 60 student rural public school will be able to compete with it's city or big county rival in a two class (closed enrollment) scenerio?? My guess is the cutoff for the two (closed enrollment) groups would be in the 700-800 student range. Thus you'll have the upper class ranging from say 750 student schools to 2100 or thereabouts, and the smaller class ranging from your 60 student school to 750.

 

Trust me, soon many will be whinning for more classes so "60 student HS" can compete "Fairly" against similar sized institutions; and likewise "750 student HS" will be saying the 2100 student school has a huge advantage, which they obviously do!! Meanwhile the smaller privates, which comprize most of the private schools in the state; can't compete with the handful of larger institutions, and will be forced to travel very long distances to find a similar private school to compete with. They will be forced to ultimately drop many athletic programs due to budgetary concerns, or merge and create a couple more monsters. I'd like the chances of a merged "NKY Catholic High School" made up of St. Henry, CovCath, Holy Cross, Bishop Brossart, NewCath, etc. competing on a regional level!!

 

Is this really what you want so that a couple of huge Louisville schools don't win a 6A football championship every year??

Honestly, I don't care what happens with the football championship at the 6A level every year.

 

I am looking at the other sports as much as just football.

 

I do like the chances of a non open enrollment/private school of 60 competing against a similar school in nature of 750 in comparison to the setup today.

 

Regular season compete against whom you wish. You want to go out of state, so be it. You want to bring in a Huntington High to play against, so be it. You want to compete against the private school or the public school, 3 miles away so be it.

 

No different than the NCAA's. If you are a DII school, a NAIA school, and a DI school will schedule you, so be it.

 

The small privates you mention would only do the traveling because OF THEIR CHOICE. St. Henry could still fill their regular season schedule by staying in the NKY/Cincy area and play whomever. The postseason would be the difference.

The association chose to segregate them now they are choosing to exercise their rights. If the publics continue to push for a split I can easilly see the KY private schools exercising their rights here as well.

 

Even if they are segregated they must pay or choose to be member of the association.

Even if they are segregated they must pay or choose to be member of the association.

You are correct but so do the private schools in Tennessee and it looks like the courts have so far ruled that rules against them recruiting infringe on their rights so they can't be enforced. If that is upheld and if the public schools in Kentucky stay the course I definately think the private schools in Kentucky will follow suit and start recruiting athletes. Again it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

As I recall this case, the letters that the coach sent out were only to 8th graders that had already applied to and been accepted by Brentwood. While they had not technically started at Brentwood, they had been accepted to Brentwood to start the following fall. If my recollection is correct, does that change anyone's mind that this was blatant recruiting?

You are correct but so do the private schools in Tennessee and it looks like the courts have so far ruled that rules against them recruiting infringe on their rights so they can't be enforced. If that is upheld and if the public schools in Kentucky stay the course I definately think the private schools in Kentucky will follow suit and start recruiting athletes. Again it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

 

 

You would really have to believe that private schools don't recruit to worry about what if they were segregated or if the publics stay the course.

If they were already accepted it would seem okay to me.

As I recall this case, the letters that the coach sent out were only to 8th graders that had already applied to and been accepted by Brentwood. While they had not technically started at Brentwood, they had been accepted to Brentwood to start the following fall. If my recollection is correct, does that change anyone's mind that this was blatant recruiting?

If this is accurate and I don't think the article portrays it that way, then I don't see what the problem is at all. I individually talked to/contacted the incoming freshmen, gave them our summer schedule of camps, encouraged them to go, took up the money for them to go before their 8th grade season is over.

 

Of course, the difference is that there is ONE MS and ONE HS in the county and about 99.9999999999% of the 8th graders go to the HS if they live in the county.

Now, ladiesbballcoach, some in our area would argue that the other 0000000001% are being recruited and cry to KHSAA for capital punishment.

Now, ladiesbballcoach, some in our area would argue that the other 0000000001% are being recruited and cry to KHSAA for capital punishment.

You do realize capital punishment for a HS coach is dealing with parents.:sssh:

 

Or at least some of them at least.

You would really have to believe that private schools don't recruit to worry about what if they were segregated or if the publics stay the course.

As I have said numerous times if there is evidence of wrong doing then punish the offender, public or private.

 

I would put to you that the larger private schools are under such a microscope that anything that could remotely be construed as a violation of rules is being reported to the KHSAA so if as you seem to imply they are illegally recruiting they would be caught.

As I have said numerous times if there is evidence of wrong doing then punish the offender, public or private.

 

I would put to you that the larger private schools are under such a microscope that anything that could remotely be construed as a violation of rules is being reported to the KHSAA so if as you seem to imply they are illegally recruiting they would be caught.

I would say yes and no. I believe you are correct in that they are under a microscope but anything construed as recruiting, no wouldn't be a violation or reported.

 

As I have mentioned in the past your daughter and my daughter is playing on an AAU team together and they are friends. Your daughter, let's say both are frosh age, says to my daughter that she needs to come to the private school with her and play during the season together.

 

Is this recruiting? Absolutely. Should it be illegal? Not sure it should be even though I believe technically it is. Can you enforce this? Not sure you can.

 

Also, the KHSAA investigated a complaint 2-4 years back where a MS girl who attended a public middle school in a county south of Louisville whose father was a non-Catholic minister received a brochure from the parochial Jefferson County schools and recruiting her to be a student with them in HS. Just so it happened that she was the best player in her grade level and the ONLY MS athlete in the school (including boys) that received this material.

 

How do you prove who sent this? You can't and nothing can be done about it. But I wonder if any of these type of events succeeded in recruiting an athlete to their school?

I would say yes and no. I believe you are correct in that they are under a microscope but anything construed as recruiting, no wouldn't be a violation or reported.

 

As I have mentioned in the past your daughter and my daughter is playing on an AAU team together and they are friends. Your daughter, let's say both are frosh age, says to my daughter that she needs to come to the private school with her and play during the season together.

 

Is this recruiting? Absolutely. Should it be illegal? Not sure it should be even though I believe technically it is. Can you enforce this? Not sure you can.

 

Also, the KHSAA investigated a complaint 2-4 years back where a MS girl who attended a public middle school in a county south of Louisville whose father was a non-Catholic minister received a brochure from the parochial Jefferson County schools and recruiting her to be a student with them in HS. Just so it happened that she was the best player in her grade level and the ONLY MS athlete in the school (including boys) that received this material.

 

How do you prove who sent this? You can't and nothing can be done about it. But I wonder if any of these type of events succeeded in recruiting an athlete to their school?

 

And there is absolutely nothing preventing the public schools from doing exactly the same things, and I'm sure they do.