And there is absolutely nothing preventing the public schools from doing exactly the same things, and I'm sure they do.

I am sure those conversations exist the other way too. I was responding to your statement that anything a private school will do would be reported. And the #1 way I think recruiting occurs is the conversation I pointed out.

 

Has little to do with coaches and a lot to do with the parents/players through club/AAU teams. A way that recruiting on both sides goes on and is not reported.

 

But just because they are under a microscope does not mean they are squeaky clean.

But just because they are under a microscope does not mean they are squeaky clean.

No, but it would sure be a whole lot harder to do anything illegal when everyone is just waiting to pounce on anything.

No, but it would sure be a whole lot harder to do anything illegal when everyone is just waiting to pounce on anything.

:thumb: As privates would love to pounce on a public doing anything wrong to prove the point it is not just them.

 

As in our political system, both sides are involved in things they shouldn't be. Gray areas that are pushing the rules. And things that are fine.

:thumb: As privates would love to pounce on a public doing anything wrong to prove the point it is not just them.

 

As in our political system, both sides are involved in things they shouldn't be. Gray areas that are pushing the rules. And things that are fine.

In the example you cited, I don't see where the school did anything. I'll tell you right up front that I recommend Trinity to the parents of any kid in the right age group. I don't care what their sports or academic background is. I believe that strongly in what they do there. If someone was looking for the best possible coaching, spiritual and academic environment for their budding sports star I'd tell them the same thing. If they were looking for a grat place for their national merit scholar to be, I'd tell them the same thing. If they were lokking for a school that could develop a plan of study for their kid with severe learning differences, I'd tell them the same thing. I suppose that is recruiting, but I don't believe it violates any rule and the school isn't doing it. As I think about it, this post is recruiting, so for all you parents and young men out there, consider Trinity. It's not who you are, it's who you can be.

If this is accurate and I don't think the article portrays it that way, then I don't see what the problem is at all. I individually talked to/contacted the incoming freshmen, gave them our summer schedule of camps, encouraged them to go, took up the money for them to go before their 8th grade season is over.

 

Of course, the difference is that there is ONE MS and ONE HS in the county and about 99.9999999999% of the 8th graders go to the HS if they live in the county.

 

LBBC, I checked it and my recollection was right. The letters went to already accepted 8th grade students who were to start in the fall. No big deal, or at least it shouldn't be. If you google Brentwood Academy Tennessee lawsuit, you'll find a lot of articles. Take care.

In the example you cited, I don't see where the school did anything. I'll tell you right up front that I recommend Trinity to the parents of any kid in the right age group. I don't care what their sports or academic background is. I believe that strongly in what they do there. If someone was looking for the best possible coaching, spiritual and academic environment for their budding sports star I'd tell them the same thing. If they were looking for a grat place for their national merit scholar to be, I'd tell them the same thing. If they were lokking for a school that could develop a plan of study for their kid with severe learning differences, I'd tell them the same thing. I suppose that is recruiting, but I don't believe it violates any rule and the school isn't doing it. As I think about it, this post is recruiting, so for all you parents and young men out there, consider Trinity. It's not who you are, it's who you can be.

I agree with you that it is recruiting. Not sure about the not a violation or not. Would it be any different than the boosters that we hear about on the college level minus the financial packages? There is something in the bylaws about agencies representing the school, not it just being school personnel.

 

I do believe this is where the recruiting that goes on in this state is occurring mostly and will be near impossible to oversee.

 

I think the example I used was that the recruiting pitch was aimed at one particular female athlete that just happened to be the very best female athlete in the county and was the ONLY one.

LBBC, I checked it and my recollection was right. The letters went to already accepted 8th grade students who were to start in the fall. No big deal, or at least it shouldn't be. If you google Brentwood Academy Tennessee lawsuit, you'll find a lot of articles. Take care.

Thank you. I have zero problem in it. I would have zero problem in him sending them to all of the 8th graders of the school that traditional feeds into Brentwood Academy.

I still don't understand the "problem" with recruiting. Public schools complain about a lack of funds year in and year out. It would seem to me that anytime a student (athlete or otherwise) choose to attend a private school it would be a financial win for the public school system. Where am I wrong?

I still don't understand the "problem" with recruiting. Public schools complain about a lack of funds year in and year out. It would seem to me that anytime a student (athlete or otherwise) choose to attend a private school it would be a financial win for the public school system. Where am I wrong?

 

Well, for one, if all the best students get cherry-picked by private schools through blatant recruitment, it makes it much more difficult for public schools to meet the federally-mandated performance objectives they are obligated to meet. And public schools lose funding if they lose students, so in the scenario where the best and brightest are recruited away, the public school systems would be left with the most difficult students to educate (who typically require far more resources) and less funding to do it.

Well, for one, if all the best students get cherry-picked by private schools through blatant recruitment, it makes it much more difficult for public schools to meet the federally-mandated performance objectives they are obligated to meet. And public schools lose funding if they lose students, so in the scenario where the best and brightest are recruited away, the public school systems would be left with the most difficult students to educate (who typically require far more resources) and less funding to do it.

I think that your statement is a little off target. Presently, there is NOTHING to my knowledge that prevents private schools from recruiting the best and brightest students.

 

The recruiting mentioned in the post that you responded to was about athletes and not the best and brightest students.

I think that your statement is a little off target. Presently, there is NOTHING to my knowledge that prevents private schools from recruiting the best and brightest students.

 

The recruiting mentioned in the post that you responded to was about athletes and not the best and brightest students.

 

I didn't mean to imply that privates were restricted in any way from recruiting the best students, only that if the best students end up leaving the public school system for private schools, the overall job for publics gets more difficult because they are left with less funding and students that require more resources on a per child basis. Therefore, it is not in the publics' best interest to see the best and brightest opt for private education. I know that is, in large part, the publics' motivation for offering so many school choice options (magnets, advanced, and traditional program schools).

H,

Don't you find it interesting that there are rules and enforcement efforts to try and stop athletes from fleeing public schools but nothing to stand in the way of above average students. In fact schools like Manual exist at the expense of all the other schools in Jefferson County academics. No one seems to care. But if Manual tries to lure an athlete based on his/her talents the fur starts flying. I wonder why.

 

Also, don't student numbers only affect federal funding? Otherwise, wouldn't we all get a refund when enrollment numbers went down in our county?

H,

Don't you find it interesting that there are rules and enforcement efforts to try and stop athletes from fleeing public schools but nothing to stand in the way of above average students. In fact schools like Manual exist at the expense of all the other schools in Jefferson County academics. No one seems to care. But if Manual tries to lure an athlete based on his/her talents the fur starts flying. I wonder why.

 

Also, don't student numbers only affect federal funding? Otherwise, wouldn't we all get a refund when enrollment numbers went down in our county?

Attendance of students comes through SEEK funds which is state money.

H, LBBC we have in this thread the nub of the issue: Should schools control where a child matriculates, or should the family make the decision? Those of us who are proponents of the family see competition for students as beneficial to families. Our position is: Improve your school and let the public know about it. You will survive as a school if you provide a better product to the public. The people will vote by deciding on the superior product. That is the market economy. Education is no better or worse than medicine, law or any other service in the United States that must compete to survive.

H, LBBC we have in this thread the nub of the issue: Should schools control where a child matriculates, or should the family make the decision? Those of us who are proponents of the family see competition for students as beneficial to families. Our position is: Improve your school and let the public know about it. You will survive as a school if you provide a better product to the public. The people will vote by deciding on the superior product. That is the market economy. Education is no better or worse than medicine, law or any other service in the United States that must compete to survive.

Your assumption is that local schools have full control of the quality of their school. The lovely politicians make a good number of decisions for us in public schools. Would you want them making the decisions for private schools?

 

If local schools had full control and it wasn't in Frankfort or DC, there would be a lot less testing and a lot more learning going on. But the politicians need a number to see how we are doing versus Japan.

 

And BTW, recent studies have shown that public and private schools are equal in their abilities to produce quality students when comparing the same type students.