June 6, 20206 yr Author I blame the corporations.... It’s obvious Amazon is a sexist company...they don’t spend near the advertising dollars on women’s sports as they do on men’s. It’s almost like Jeff Bezos realizes that men’s sports draw in more viewers...
June 6, 20206 yr Author I paid in state tuition for all three of my children. I feel they got excellent educations for the price, sports aside. One of my children chose UK for the social aspects, some of which revolved around sports, including women’s volleyball. Bottom line is college is about a lot of things. Students make college choices for different reasons. Having a wide range of options attracts a wide range of students. The more tuition paid, the more room there is for financial aid. In the old days, I commuted to NKU and worked full time because that is all I could afford. I was fortunate enough to help my kids go away to college, a privilege I didn’t have. I was amazed at how many of their friends took out a loan for college, joined frats/sororities, and never missed a spring break. They went blissfully through four years not thinking about debt. Now that they are in the real world, they get it. I was raised differently. No one has to acquire “crippling debt” because a school offers sports that don’t make money. I applaud you for paying for your children’s educations... What you paid would have been cheaper if charity sports such as baseball, swimming and archery weren’t offered. You paid more for your child’s education so we could have 12 people watch a gymnastics event...
June 8, 20206 yr Author WNBA's travel problems becoming a higher-profile topic for debate | Star Tribune Should we be chartering private jets for a league that loses millions every season ? I wish Title 9 were applied to the corporate world. The CEO of my company makes around 20 million a year. I should be given a share of that if I identify as a woman.
August 15, 20206 yr On 6/7/2020 at 8:35 PM, MBWC41 said: WNBA's travel problems becoming a higher-profile topic for debate | Star Tribune Should we be chartering private jets for a league that loses millions every season ? I wish Title 9 were applied to the corporate world. The CEO of my company makes around 20 million a year. I should be given a share of that if I identify as a woman. I just caught this article about the losses that Women's Sports have at Ohio State. The numbers are ridiculous. Over a $4 Million Dollar loss for Women's basketball. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/10/05/countdown-see-which-ohio-state-sports-bring-in-the.html#g/461164/1
August 15, 20206 yr Author 19 hours ago, catholicdude said: I just caught this article about the losses that Women's Sports have at Ohio State. The numbers are ridiculous. Over a $ Million Dollar loss for Women's basketball. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/10/05/countdown-see-which-ohio-state-sports-bring-in-the.html#g/461164/1 It’s simply nauseating. A million dollar loss for the school so they can say they offer women’s basketball. Passing that loss in any way to the students should be illegal. Let me also say that you can plug in any sport not named men’s basketball or football into the equation and you’ll get the same results. Programs who can’t generate enough revenue to cover their costs should be played at somewhat of a club level. They should be played locally. I’d be fine with offering scholarships to those athletes but they shouldn’t be playing a full big 10 schedule while losing millions of dollars.
August 19, 20206 yr On 8/14/2020 at 9:57 PM, catholicdude said: I just caught this article about the losses that Women's Sports have at Ohio State. The numbers are ridiculous. Over a $ Million Dollar loss for Women's basketball. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/10/05/countdown-see-which-ohio-state-sports-bring-in-the.html#g/461164/1 Just noticed there was a typo on my post. It was a 4 Million Dollar loss by the Women's Basketball program. There were also 3 sports that lost over 2 Million (Rowing, Swimming and Diving, Women's Hockey) and 8 other sports that lost over a million.
August 19, 20206 yr 3 minutes ago, catholicdude said: Just noticed there was a typo on my post. It was a 4 Million Dollar loss by the Women's Basketball program. There were also 3 sports that lost over 2 Million (Rowing, Swimming and Diving, Women's Hockey) and 8 other sports that lost over a million. I went in and corrected the 4 million number. In short, before long this all means that Universities will have to drop all these sports that are major financial liabilities. I bet some college football would have a few extra dollars to help out.
August 20, 20206 yr Author 21 minutes ago, theguru said: I went in and corrected the 4 million number. In short, before long this all means that Universities will have to drop all these sports that are major financial liabilities. I bet some college football would have a few extra dollars to help out. If these sports are dropped, hopefully they are brought back with a more fiscally sound approach. Non revenue sports can exist. They don’t have to make money. They just shouldn’t lose millions of dollars year after year. There’s a happy medium in all of this. We’re so caught up in the optics though that we refuse to see it. I just can’t see a scenario where these teams travel like their more profitable counterparts. Games need to be played locally. On the weekends. It’s a really simple solution.
August 20, 20206 yr By making all non-revenue sports, club sports, it relieves the university's athletic department from funding them. The sport should be able to exist through donations, fund raising, apparel sales, and ticket sales. If it can't them no club. If all sports were made club sports, Title IX would not apply. Football and basketball could pay players as they see fit, scholarships would be for students, students would not be burdened with funding anything, and the universities could still benefit from the exposure.
August 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, MBWC41 said: If these sports are dropped, hopefully they are brought back with a more fiscally sound approach. Non revenue sports can exist. They don’t have to make money. They just shouldn’t lose millions of dollars year after year. There’s a happy medium in all of this. We’re so caught up in the optics though that we refuse to see it. I just can’t see a scenario where these teams travel like their more profitable counterparts. Games need to be played locally. On the weekends. It’s a really simple solution. The problem is they can't drop the women's sports because of Title IX. They have to provide equitable opportunities to participate. Men's Basketball, Track, Cross Country, Soccer, Baseball, etc. all need to have corresponding scholarship numbers for women. The large number of football scholarships also means there are a few women's programs that usually don't have a male counterpart. Volleyball, Field hockey and sometimes women's soccer and women's golf help to keep a program in Title IX compliance. Also, although spending doesn't have to be equal, Women athletes must receive equitable treatment and benefits. Essentially that means when the football budget is 50 million and the Men's basketball Budget is 20 million, they need to spend millions dollars on women's sports when they know it's a loss. Even if you turn all of the non-revenue mens sports into club sports, they will still need to spend that money on women's sports mainly because of the big budgets for football and men's basketball. It's really not the non-revenue sports that cause the problems. If there wasn't football and Men's basketball, it would be pretty easy to get athletic spending under control. However with all the revenue those 2 sports generate, the university is still better off operating all the other sports at a loss. I did some quick research on Xavier and Miami of Ohio. Figuring Xavier was a good D1 program without football and Miami is a D1 program with football but I wouldn't rank any of their sports as equal to Xavier's (but they do have a great men's hockey program). Xavier's athletic budget is around 14 million for 18 sports (9 men's and 9 women's) with 330 athletes (180 men and 159 women). Xavier athletics are self funded from what I can tell. Miami has an athletic budget around 38 million for 19 sports (8 men's and 11 women's) and 554 athletes (296 men and 258 women). 24 million of that budget is a subsidy from the university. Football programs are usually what throws the budgets out of whack. It's great revenue but it also creates big expenses the have nothing to do with football.
August 20, 20206 yr Author 10 hours ago, catholicdude said: The problem is they can't drop the women's sports because of Title IX. They have to provide equitable opportunities to participate. Men's Basketball, Track, Cross Country, Soccer, Baseball, etc. all need to have corresponding scholarship numbers for women. The large number of football scholarships also means there are a few women's programs that usually don't have a male counterpart. Volleyball, Field hockey and sometimes women's soccer and women's golf help to keep a program in Title IX compliance. Also, although spending doesn't have to be equal, Women athletes must receive equitable treatment and benefits. Essentially that means when the football budget is 50 million and the Men's basketball Budget is 20 million, they need to spend millions dollars on women's sports when they know it's a loss. Even if you turn all of the non-revenue mens sports into club sports, they will still need to spend that money on women's sports mainly because of the big budgets for football and men's basketball. It's really not the non-revenue sports that cause the problems. If there wasn't football and Men's basketball, it would be pretty easy to get athletic spending under control. However with all the revenue those 2 sports generate, the university is still better off operating all the other sports at a loss. I did some quick research on Xavier and Miami of Ohio. Figuring Xavier was a good D1 program without football and Miami is a D1 program with football but I wouldn't rank any of their sports as equal to Xavier's (but they do have a great men's hockey program). Xavier's athletic budget is around 14 million for 18 sports (9 men's and 9 women's) with 330 athletes (180 men and 159 women). Xavier athletics are self funded from what I can tell. Miami has an athletic budget around 38 million for 19 sports (8 men's and 11 women's) and 554 athletes (296 men and 258 women). 24 million of that budget is a subsidy from the university. Football programs are usually what throws the budgets out of whack. It's great revenue but it also creates big expenses the have nothing to do with football. Great post. I said earlier in this thread that I wasn’t sure Title IX had a place in college athletics. Your research reaffirms that for me. I know that’s not a popular opinion but I’d rather see the profitable sports help the universities in more useful ways. Additional scholarships and tuition reduction would be at the top of the list for me.
August 20, 20206 yr Author THE Ohio State University Football program brought in around 90 million last year... How about we put this money to use by means of scholarships instead of just flushing money down the toilet ?
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