I totally disagree. I played for coach redman and he does not like to run up the score, but since he has many seniors this year maybe he just wants them to get a little in game experience before they take the team next year. So your telling me that Coach Redman should have knelt on every play and then punted just so he would not run up the score. That is outragious to suggest that kids should not play as hard as they can especially when they do not get much playing time in the first place.

 

Read it again. Show me where I said to knel on every play and then punt. There is no use talking about this. You have your mind made up that this is justified.

Read it again. Show me where I said to knel on every play and then punt. There is no use talking about this. You have your mind made up that this is justified.

 

What should teams that have gross mismatches in skill at every position do to avoid running up the score? Should they pull their starters at the end of the 1st quarter and pull their 2nd team by the half? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to leave the starters in at least until halftime (when this game was 61-0). If your starters are constantly getting pulled in games with inferior teams, how do you keep them ready to play a full game against a good opponent?

What should teams that have gross mismatches in skill at every position do to avoid running up the score? Should they pull their starters at the end of the 1st quarter and pull their 2nd team by the half? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to leave the starters in at least until halftime (when this game was 61-0). If your starters are constantly getting pulled in games with inferior teams, how do you keep them ready to play a full game against a good opponent?

 

I have seen Russell Head Coach pull the starters and have the freshman playing before the half was over. He is a class act and wants the younger kid to get varsity time. He has done it for years. He refuses to humiliate another team.

 

Keep doing what you are doing. You don't have to justify it to me. Go Male.

Jeepman I have a son on the team...You really don't understand how the game transpired. Have you read some of the earlier comments? You paid your money and you can type but your comments about The Coach might be...well you paid your money. And I went to Iroquois and played football at the school. 75/25 Again.

Jeepman I have a son on the team...You really don't understand how the game transpired. Have you read some of the earlier comments? You paid your money and you can type but your comments about The Coach might be...well you paid your money. And I went to Iroquois and played football at the school. 75/25 Again.

 

I had no intentions of putting down the coach. I understand he has a Mr. Football canidate and it would be good for the school and the team to pad the numbers. I'm sure he is a great coach and it was wrong for me to point the finger directly at him when I don't even know him. I appologize.

 

It just caught me off guard when I saw people braging about it. I have been to many games at Russell where the score could have been 120 - 0 and we also have a Mr. Footbal candidate in Clark. Coach McGloan refuses to run up the stats and the score. People have always said this is one reason Clark and former player Josh Gross had no chance at all. This is where schools are different. In the game on Friday Clark could have had 10 TD's and 400 yards rushing. McGloan put in the underclass men and gave them experience. Like I said keep doing what you are doing it's acceptable to many Male fans. You don't have to answer to me. It's wrong and that's where I stand. It's Okay and that's where you stand. I'm done with it.

I had no intentions of putting down the coach. I understand he has a Mr. Football canidate and it would be good for the school and the team to pad the numbers. I'm sure he is a great coach and it was wrong for me to point the finger directly at him when I don't even know him. I appologize.

 

It just caught me off guard when I saw people braging about it. I have been to many games at Russell where the score could have been 120 - 0 and we also have a Mr. Footbal candidate in Clark. Coach McGloan refuses to run up the stats and the score. People have always said this is one reason Clark and former player Josh Gross had no chance at all. This is where schools are different. In the game on Friday Clark could have had 10 TD's and 400 yards rushing. McGloan put in the underclass men and gave them experience. Like I said keep doing what you are doing it's acceptable to many Male fans. You don't have to answer to me. It's wrong and that's where I stand. It's Okay and that's where you stand. I'm done with it.

 

It is not whether you are right or if we are right. Coach red does not run the score up on purpose. When your starters only play one half of football and it is already 61-0 what are you supposed to do? He takes his players out and puts in players for experience and they score only 19 points with a running clock. They need all the experience they can get and if making you think running the score up is the answer then run every score up if it will make the team better in the long run.

In 2000 Rockcastle County scored 81 on Knott County Central (district) starters were pulled in 1st quarter. The reserves (9th, 10th graders) scored all but 3 touchdowns. No one ever blames the other team in these situations but it is a lot of the time their fault as well. I mean some teams will not quit throwing the ball allowing the defense to intercept and often run it back for TD, and it also stops the clock before the 2nd half and the clock can run all the time.

 

This is a good post, 3wishes is correct, I do not understand why a team who is losing badly will continue to throw the ball and stop the clock and throw it to the other team. What do you do tell your players to drop Int? Run the ball and use as much clock as possible. Maybe after the half throw it long because it takes longer to get the ball and the clock will still run.

It is written..so let it be done.

I have to put my two cents into this and perhaps this will shed some light on what took place (and afterwards).

 

One of my long time friends, Larry Williams, is an assistant coach at Male. Williams' son is the Offensive Coordinator for Iroquois. I had to watch this game because of my connections to both of these men. I sat on the Iroquois sideline because I like to root for the underdog. Here are some things I think people should know about this game:

1. Iroquois was able to put up a little over 200 yards of offense in the first half (since they only had the ball twice in the 2nd half due to the clock running rule). Young Williams was very pleased at this effort against a team that has so much talent on defense and is only giving up about 100 yards of offense per game.

2. Despite the score, Young Williams was on the sideline being very enthusiastic whenever his offense made big plays. They had several plays that went for over 40 yards or more against Male's starting defense.

3. QB Raydell Williams (No relation) of Iroqouis had an outstanding game. This was his best game as far as passing the ball. Despite only completing 5 passes (out of 11), all of his passes except for 1 were within the fingertips of Iroquois receivers. Williams (QB) completed 5 passes for over 160 yards and ran for a TD.

4. The offense never quit and took it right to Male's starting defense (inlcuding one play where an Iroquois RB ran OVER Beaumont in the open field)

5. #12 ( I cant think of his name) of Iroquois had some SPECTACULAR catches against Beaumont, including 1 where he broke free and scampered almost 60 yards before being tackled at the 3 yard line (By beaumont).

6. Elder Williams told me at Half time that Bobby Redman was not happy with the way his defense played but at the same time stated this Iroquois team is the best he's seen since the early 70's. You put this Iroquois team in another district and they are legitimate contenders. Hard to play against 5 other teams that are fielding 80-90 players vs. the 30 that Iroquois has.

7. Redman was overheard at the end of the game congratulating Young Williams on giving Male the best look they have had all year long. Young Williams (who once coached with Bobby Redman from 93 to 95) told me that his game plan the whole week was to give Male a different look then what they have seen all year. And i think he did. He forced Male to drop two safeties and when that happened, Iroquois had some success running the football.

8. Elder Williams said that he and Redman feel that Iroquois did more to expose their weakness then any time has done this year.

9. Iroquois took the 2nd half opening kick off to the Iroquois 35 yard line and in 4 plays, scored. (They also scored in the first half, but it was called back due to a penalty)

10. Say what you will about the score....the bottom line is that defensively, Iroquois couldnt tackle for squat. Male scored so many touchdowns on 1st & 2nd down runs that would normally go for about 5 or 6 yards. Iroquois just couldnt make the tackles...PERIOD. How do you tell your kids not to run hard?

11. Despite the score, the Iroquois players weren't totally dejected. They played hard for 4 quarters (especially on offense) and Young Williams said offensively, this was the best they had played all year long considering the competition.

12. Even though they were getting wiped off the field, the defense still played hard enough to block 2 extra point attempts.

I asked Young Williams about his feelings about the score and he responded "You can only do so much. When your team cant tackle, what do you expect your opponent to do? Fall down? Male has to get ready for Butler & St. X and we didnt really give them an opportunity to work on anything since they were scoring at will on basic run plays. The fault is not Coach Redman's. The fault lies on us for not being better at fundamentals of tackling."

 

I dare say to anyone who just saw the score and not the game really didnt see the same game I saw. Im sure Alabama Larry would agree (as he said earlier) that after the game, both teams were very positive towards each other and wished each other well. Even the Male coaches were impressed with (at least offensively from what I heard) the way the Raiders played. The score is not indicative of the effort and class displayed on the field by both teams. Lastly, I must say this: It was fun to watch a coach (Young Williams) keep his enthusiasm up even though he is getting blown out. After the 1st quarter, it could have been so easy just to give up and throw away the playbook...yet he didnt. He got excited on good plays, he made good calls to challenge Male's defense and even he said that he got more good things out of this game from an offensive standpoint than most people would.

I spoke to Redman the day after the game and he believes that Young WIlliams will be an outstanding Head Coach somewhere because of his attitude, his committment to his players and his offensive scheming abilities. Quote Redman "If he takes that offense to a team that has a good group of athletes, that school is going to be extremely dangerous and a lot of fun to watch. You remember I said this".

 

A LOT OF POSITIVES OUT OF WHAT MOST CONSIDER A NEGATIVE GAME

Nice post Dude. In 1979 the Raiders lost to Butler in the playoffs 13-7. The Raiders had 4 kids go Division 1. One player Chuck Coleman went to play for the vols while the QB went to U of L and started at tightend. Back in the early 70s Iroquois always lost to the city schools but had a hold over the county schools. In 1970 in a scrimmage game against the Rocks the Raiders won the scrimmage. The Rocks won State the year before. We had 90 Seniors and Juniors. I was a junior on the team, but the only way I'd get into a game was sell programs.

7. Redman was overheard at the end of the game congratulating Young Williams on giving Male the best look they have had all year long. Young Williams (who once coached with Bobby Redman from 93 to 95) told me that his game plan the whole week was to give Male a different look then what they have seen all year. And i think he did. He forced Male to drop two safeties and when that happened, Iroquois had some success running the football.

Can this be true?:eek:

Can this be true?:eek:

 

I saw Male drop two safeties in another game this season (Seneca, maybe?)

Can this be true?:eek:

I think when one of your weaknesses is playing strictly man to man defense and your Mr. Football candidate gets burned a couple of times, its a good idea to drop another safety. Problem was, Iroquois often times lined up with 4& 5 receiver sets, which forced the safeties to go man to man too. Like I said, I think Redman was right when he said that Iroquois exposed their weaknesses. Pretty amazing that a team you blast 80-6 can still be the one team that exposes you. Personally, the one thing that I think helped was that Williams coached with Redman for a few years and knew early on what the weaknesses were. I believe, personally, that Williams had a great plan. Spread the defense out...get those 9 men out of the box, force them to respect your pass game and then run it. It certainly worked well a lot of times.

Then again, I think this has always been the ONE criticism of Redman's pressure defense.

I have posted previously on the definition of "runninig up a score". The winner's score is an indicator of running up the score, but I believe there are other factors.Throwing deep when the game is out of hand is also a factor, a part of "other indicia" in determining running up a score. However, a running team can run up a score sans passing. Perhaps the most telling factor, in my opinion, in running up a score, is keeping the first string in after the game is decided. Reasonable minds may differ as to when a game is decided, but most would agree that a 45 or more point lead indicates "game decided". That is when a running clock begins. Thereafter, if the team in the lead is engaging in the above behavior, the score is being run up.

Some fans and coaches abhor this type of play and others are ok with it. It is within the rules of the game, but perhaps not within the rules of sportsmanship. Becaus the definition is a bit hazy most of us know it when we see it. Certain coaches of certain teams have well deserved reputations for running up the score, and it is difficult for a leopard to change his spots.

I saw Male drop two safeties in another game this season (Seneca, maybe?)

When is the last time you saw that out of a Male defense? Pre-Redman?