August 17, 20179 yr Much Bigger Niche'...I'd venture to say The Dead had exponentially bigger following than MMJ does. The Dead became a part of Pop Culture, MMJ may get there some time but they aren't there yet...IMO. I'll certainly agree that Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead are way more well known than Jim James and My Morning Jacket, yet my question to you was not to suggest that they were on an equal level of popularity with them. Tossing them off as simply niche' truly devalues Jim James' and My Morning Jacket's popularity, and suggests them to be insignificant and as vastly unknown, which Is so terribly far from the truth. Many folks who aren't exactly their fans know who they/he are/is, and numerous heavy hitters in the music industry have a ton of respect for him, and seek to work with him. For example, in my list of collaborators, I accidently forgot to mention Roger Waters. Is it at all possible that since you were growing up in the 70's, and 80's when you were more inclined to be aware of the scene, this helped a ton in you knowing who Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead were, but now that you might not be following said scene nearly as much, that you're a tad bit more unaware of some of the heavy hitters that are way more famous than you even realize? This is known to happen with people, and isn't terribly unusual for some as they age and begin to pay less attention, and especially if it's not the brand of music they'd listen to. I'll assume that Radiohead, for example, is not exactly your cup of tea, but please tell me that just because you might not know much about them that you don't consider them to be not "massively famous". I really don't know how else to convince those who think otherwise, but in the case of Jim James and My Morning Jacket, those who deem him/them not so famous just because they've never heard of him/them says more about their awareness or lack there of than it does of the reality of Jim James' and My Morning Jacket's massive fame. For example, though I wasn't much raised on country music, I'm familiar with a little bit about it, and some of the more popular artists, and I dig elements of it in a lot of the alt/country type music that I listen to, however I'll freely admit that from your list of Mt. Rushmore artists I've never heard of the Osbourne Brothers, or Keith Whitley and couldn't pick them out in a line up. Just because I've never heard of them, I wouldn't begin to doubt you that they're extremely famous, and what it says way more so is that I am unaware of them... and going by your determiner I could classify them as niche' country simply because I'm not a huge country fan, but I wouldn't do that because my unawareness of them has nothing to do with their true popularity.
August 17, 20179 yr Author I'll certainly agree that Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead are way more well known than Jim James and My Morning Jacket, yet my question to you was not to suggest that they were on an equal level of popularity with them. Tossing them off as simply niche' truly devalues Jim James' and My Morning Jacket's popularity, and suggests them to be insignificant and as vastly unknown, which Is so terribly far from the truth. Many folks who aren't exactly their fans know who they/he are/is, and numerous heavy hitters in the music industry have a ton of respect for him, and seek to work with him. For example, in my list of collaborators, I accidently forgot to mention Roger Waters. Is it at all possible that since you were growing up in the 70's, and 80's when you were more inclined to be aware of the scene, this helped a ton in you knowing who Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead were, but now that you might not be following said scene nearly as much, that you're a tad bit more unaware of some of the heavy hitters that are way more famous than you even realize? This is known to happen with people, and isn't terribly unusual for some as they age and begin to pay less attention, and especially if it's not the brand of music they'd listen to. I'll assume that Radiohead, for example, is not exactly your cup of tea, but please tell me that just because you might not know much about them that you don't consider them to be not "massively famous". I really don't know how else to convince those who think otherwise, but in the case of Jim James and My Morning Jacket, those who deem him/them not so famous just because they've never heard of him/them says more about their awareness or lack there of than it does of the reality of Jim James' and My Morning Jacket's massive fame. For example, though I wasn't much raised on country music, I'm familiar with a little bit about it, and some of the more popular artists, and I dig elements of it in a lot of the alt/country type music that I listen to, however I'll freely admit that from your list of Mt. Rushmore artists I've never heard of the Osbourne Brothers, or Keith Whitley and couldn't pick them out in a line up. Just because I've never heard of them, I wouldn't begin to doubt you that they're extremely famous, and what it says way more so is that I am unaware of them... and going by your determiner I could classify them as niche' country simply because I'm not a huge country fan, but I wouldn't do that because my unawareness of them has nothing to do with their true popularity. Radiohead is huge, they were on Southpark!!! The Osbourne Brothers are a good comparison to MMJ. Both are huge in a certain segment but I'm not sure either is "Wildly Famous", IMO you can't be Wildy Famous if less than 1% of the country knows your music. Van Halen was huge in the LA Music scene and while wildly famous in LA County, no one would have called them that until after their first couple of albums dropped and they had nationwide exposure. MMJ is probably huge in their segment of music, but to say they are Wildly Famous I think is a bit generous.
August 17, 20179 yr Radiohead is huge, they were on Southpark!!! The Osbourne Brothers are a good comparison to MMJ. Both are huge in a certain segment but I'm not sure either is "Wildly Famous", IMO you can't be Wildy Famous if less than 1% of the country knows your music. Van Halen was huge in the LA Music scene and while wildly famous in LA County, no one would have called them that until after their first couple of albums dropped and they had nationwide exposure. MMJ is probably huge in their segment of music, but to say they are Wildly Famous I think is a bit generous. CBS Sunday Morning piece on My Morning Jacket from 2013
August 17, 20179 yr I can't locate part 3, but here's parts 1, 2, 4, & 5 of The American Dad - My Morning Straightjacket episode from 2009. The whole thing is on hulu if you sign up for it. [video=youtube;-9ypglK-9V0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ypglK-9V0
August 17, 20179 yr For example, It could probably be said that the Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead had niche' followers in their Deadhead, but would you agree that Jerry Garcia was massively famous? He has his own ice cream. He is famous! LOL As for your guy, by no means is he massively famous except in the niche circle which follows his genre. Much like many of the bands you follow and post about, they are not widely known. I don't follow rap or country, but tend to know who most of those artists are.
August 17, 20179 yr He has his own ice cream. He is famous! LOL As for your guy, by no means is he massively famous except in the niche circle which follows his genre. Much like many of the bands you follow and post about, they are not widely known. I don't follow rap or country, but tend to know who most of those artists are. While I do post tons of artists that no doubt are not widely known, and I'm completely aware of this when I do, and do so with the hopes that those who claim that music stopped being good in 1989 at least have been exposed to some current music that could help them alter this perception if by chance they're willing to keep an open mind about it, and not simply rule it out to satisfy an impulse cliche' that so many folk can typically use as they age that guards them from a self-realization that it's not the music, but them who has stopped trying, while hopefully understanding that it's never too late to reignite that bug that they once had in their youth to enjoy keeping up with the beat of modern times. With that said, Jim James and My Morning Jacket fall way far from being one of those widely unknowns that I might routinely post. It is very true that they have not obtained their success and fame from lots of radio airplay, which could explain the "not famous" perception from those who might rely simply on that to arrive at where they are on them. Outside of the song Truckin' which WEBN would occasionally play years ago, my awareness of The Grateful Dead was never supported by radio airplay either, and I'll bet my life savings that outside of that song and maybe "Touch of Gray", the vast amount of folks who've heard of the Grateful Dead, but never followed them aren't aware of any other songs other than those, and acquired their awareness through the buzz that surrounded the Deadhead phenomenon that pop culture today isn't so much enamored by regarding MMJ, so therefore they aren't discussed in common circles like the Dead in the past had been. So by comparison to the Dead, I won't hesitate to agree that they aren't as well known, and as is demonstrated here within this thread, there are those who have the perception from their lack of exposure that they aren't famous, but that simply does not ring true when this band has been touring the world selling out large venues often for multi-night engagements, and headlining high profile festivals, and have played every important high profile TV show while being at times a topic within pop culture, and Jim James himself has either produced and/or collaborated with countless other big names within the music industry, and is highly respected by them. Did you by any chance catch within the CBS Sunday Morning piece that I posted where the Rolling Stone writer expressed that MMJ were one of the most important bands of the generation, and compared their place in rock n' roll history with some of the biggest names ever in rock n' roll? Comments like that fully support my contention that they are without doubt famous and not as you would suggest widely unknown. Perhaps within your age group and circles, but this is more of a reflection of that rather than the truth of the matter that you are denying simply through a perception founded on lack of awareness. Edited August 17, 20179 yr by B-Ball-fan
August 17, 20179 yr As odd as it sounds I think Crystal Gayle may have more #1 Country Hits than Loretta does. Loretta does have over 50 top 20 chart hits though. Not even sisters.
August 17, 20179 yr Author Not even sisters. Ummm, yes they are Sisters. Her name is Brenda Gail Webb and she changed it when she started singing. And she isnt from Butcher Hollar either. Born in Painstville (Butcher Hollar is there) grew up later in Indiana.
August 17, 20179 yr Ummm, yes they are Sisters. Her name is Brenda Gail Webb and she changed it when she started singing. Born in Painstville (Butcher Hollar is there) grew up later in Indiana. Umm, No. One day when I meet you I will tell you the whole untold story of Loretta Lynn. Its pretty awesome and something Im working on.
August 17, 20179 yr Author Umm, No. One day when I meet you I will tell you the whole untold story of Loretta Lynn. Its pretty awesome and something Im working on. Looking forward to hearing that.
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